20-11-2002 00:04									#1
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Hi,

I am just getting into the game after have been a big fan of CIV 1 and 2(although I have never been great at them).

Since there are several new ways to win in CIV3 that include cultural and diplomatic ways, how many different ways have many of the regulars here won on? Has anyone ever one the game using the diplomatic and/or cultural modes? Or have most players stuck with the space race or the conquest route?

Ron

	20-11-2002 00:23									#2
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I have won diplomatic, cultural (both kinds), and SS only. Never conquest (in civ3, at least) nor domination.

	20-11-2002 00:56									#3
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I always seem to get cultural before domination, so I have never gotten domination.

I haven't yet gotten the one city cultural win (but I have gotten the civ-wide cultural win).

	20-11-2002 01:12									#4
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All ways, but conquest only once or twice. Conquest for me will only happen: (1) very early, (2) with lots of razing, or (3) with Domination turned off. I will basically always trigger a domination before a conquest unless I consciously try to avoid domination (which I don't do).

Catt

	20-11-2002 01:15									#5
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Won all except for the UN vote, I disable that one in my games and if I play a downloaded one, I get the wonder and never call a vote. I did have a game that I forgot to build the wonder in a downloaded game and lost the vote. I had failed to notice it was in the game until it was too late.

	20-11-2002 02:41									#6
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Only SS and domination. I've never won a vote, had twice as much culture, or bothered to try conquest.

	20-11-2002 02:45									#7
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Oh yeah. And the thought of playing until 2050 for points is an unspeakable waste of time.

EDIT

adding IMO so i don't get flamed by HoFers

Last edited by Jawa Jocky on 20-11-2002 at 04:42

	20-11-2002 03:34									#8
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Lots of SS launches for me. Other victories include "by rank #1 in 2050AD" (twice), one successful UN vote and one domination. No culture wins yet (may have something to do with the fact that I play exclusively Standard maps...?). Never bothered to try a conquest (I'm more of a builder type than a warmonger)...

	20-11-2002 04:22									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Jawa Jocky Oh yeah. And the thought of playing until 2050 for points is an unspeakable waste of time.

I am not sure I would concur with the waste of time, but it can be very tedious. I mean if you play an extra xx hours on this game or start a new, is one a waste of time and the other a wise investment? If you are there for the fun and either gives it to you then there you go.

	20-11-2002 06:09									#10
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I usually play with military victories on, but a few times I turn on the other victory conditions.

	20-11-2002 08:33									#11
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All ways except single city culture and rank. I mostly win by military victories. I usually have to go to war to avoid losing the space race.

I disable the UN because it seems too absolute. If I build it, I win. If they build it, they win.

	20-11-2002 08:39									#12
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Only domination, conquest, and score at 2050 (once, my first ever game).

	20-11-2002 09:31									#13
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Only one, and that's diplomatically. It was really pathetic the way I won - I had slipped up a histograph lead and was falling way behind in tech and score. Luckily I had built Iron Works and built two turns faster than the AI.

	20-11-2002 09:39									#14
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Space, culture by both means, conquest and diplomatic. Well actually I tried out diplomatic in my first game by cheduling the shuttle launch later, and went with space launch in the end. So I haven't really done diplomatic, but I don't want to now that I have seen it's nothing special. Still missing domination, I have old game unfinished where I'm getting almost 1000 culture per turn and all the others are far from reaching 50k so we'll see... about 20 turns to go and I still need much more land to get domination. Stupid of me to leave the culture box checked.
Oh yeah and never have I done that histograph thing. Sounds tedious, I haven't ever even got to 1900.

	20-11-2002 09:41									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Naiveplayer Only one, and that's diplomatically. It was really pathetic the way I won - I had slipped up a histograph lead and was falling way behind in tech and score. Luckily I had built Iron Works and built two turns faster than the AI.

What do you mean pathetic? That sounds cool

Edit:stupid grammar

	20-11-2002 15:36									#16
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Haven't won a cultural victory since moving up from Chieftain (in the long long long ago). Besides, its too unpredictable for my liking and I always play with this one off.

Only won one diplomatic victory (on Regent a few months back). I always keep this one on to stack on the pressure to get the UN built. Then, if I am universally loved (yeah right!), I can hold elections. Otherwise, I can withold them and pursue some other option. Of course, I like to sabotage the other candidate's chances of winning by going to war with them, and signing everyone else into alliance. Since they'll loath the idea of having them in office as secretary general, they'll almost always vote for me.

I mainly win by Space Race, Conquest or Domination (and I'm up to Monarch, and will probably be sticking there). Though I did achieve a Deity conquest once (probably never again though). Always turned on in my games since I feel that these three are the most fulfilling.

And I've never won a Histographic victory (I have the game wrapped up too quickly for that option to be open. The latest ending year I've ever played up to above Warlord is 1953 AD).

	20-11-2002 16:40									#17
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I have won by all means except histographic on monarch level. The few times I win emperor, it's allways by culture. I think my balanced playstyle makes me take early lead but not wipe the AIs out fast enough, leading to a cultural win that sneaks up from behind. I won emperor by spaceship once, but only because cultural win was disabled in the setup.

	20-11-2002 18:39									#18
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All except domination. I actually like cultural & diplomatic. Frequently I turn SS off - even back in Civ I days, it seemed like sort of an artificial goal to me.

	21-11-2002 04:41									#19
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quote: Originally posted by tinyp3nis What do you mean pathetic? That sounds cool Edit:stupid grammar

I considered it pathetic because it was luck. It IMO would have been better if I had won culturally or spaceship or histograph. Had I not won diplomatically, I would've lost the game.

	21-11-2002 06:34									#20
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Diplo (what a joke) 1 time
Cultural 1 time
Conquest 1 time
Domination 2/3 times
Spaceship a whole lotta times.

	21-11-2002 15:10									#21
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I've only won in three ways: conquest the most, plus spaceship and diplomatic. The diplomatic victory is a handy one. I use it: a) when I'm bored with the game; or b) when I've fallen behind and don't think I can win any other way. Bit of a cop-out I know, but a hollow victory is better than no victory at all.

	21-11-2002 17:29									#22
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I win by spaceship the most by far, I won by diplo once, and cultural once. The rest are domination. I currently am going for my first conquest win but it is looking ugly. Regent, all other victory conditions turned off, 1110 AD and I and the four other surviving civs (out of 16) are researching future tech! Never 'won' a historical victory but this game may be my first in that department.

	23-11-2002 05:10									#23
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quote: Originally posted by The Puny Celt a hollow victory is better than no victory at all.

Amen, brotha. If you think you can build the UN, I say leave diplo victory on as a, shall we say, escape clause.

	23-11-2002 08:11									#24
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Spaceship
Cultural
Conquest
Domination
Histograph
Regicide (Military Win PTW)

BTW the AI doesn't use the king unit very well. I know it was meant for MP but all the AI does in SP is keep it in it's capital, never moving it. I hope this gets changed in the next patch.

	24-11-2002 00:45									#25
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hi ,

a poll would have been nice

well after a while with some strategy you can get all the ways , then it just depends on what level you can repeat it , ....

have a nice day

	24-11-2002 01:15									#26
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Spaceship, Culture, Diplomatic, Domination, City Culture, Conquest, Histographic and "Incidental." Each victory condition has its own challenges.



http://www.zachriel.com/gotm.asp

	24-11-2002 05:46									#27
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everything except total cultural (not city culture). i don't like maps larger than standard so it's difficult to get enough improvements and wonders in time. either my empire is too small or i win another way before...

	24-11-2002 05:47									#28
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quote: Originally posted by Zachriel "Incidental."

what's that?

	24-11-2002 07:02									#29
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quote: Originally posted by sabrewolf what's that?

The "Incidental Victory" was from Shaka's Fist.


http://www.zachriel.com/gotm12/

I don't play to win in the sense of making the best score. I play to make the best civilization regardless of score or victory condition. Shaka Dominated because that was how it went. It's history now.


(Incidentally, Shaka won the game in question when a culture boundary expanded, resulting in a domination victory, but it's a relatively unimportant detail in the history of Zululand.)

	24-11-2002 07:08									#30
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oh yes... your gotm-stories. always very amusing

looking forward for your gotm13 report