21-11-2002 15:08									#1
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It is time to decide what we want to do with the Senate.

This poll is to choose between three extremely different types of organization:

1. A neutral organization (DAVOUT proposal)

Senate Rules of Procedures

In application of the Constitution (Article II, §11), the Senate organizes its works according to the following Rules of Procedure.

1. The Senate Archives Office (SAF) keeps records of all laws, motions, resolutions, and otherwise that are passed, amended, or removed, as stated in the Constitution (Article II §12), as well as reports, minutes, treaties, and documents of any kind, created by the Senate. The Keeper of the SAF organize the filing in multiple criteria, mainly chronological, nature, subjects, and any other he finds appropriate.

2. The Secretary of the Senate (SecoS) maintains the Agenda of what is currently in progress and what is to be done but not yet started.

3. The Senate Commission of Laws (SenCL), in view of ensuring a high quality of all legal writings, offers to all Senators, individually or in commissions, to review the text of any poll, laws, orders, etc, they intend to publish; once the review is passed, the text will bear the stamp Reviewed by The Senate Commission of Laws. A text not reviewed is normally published, but do not bear the stamp.

4.Senate Committees controls the Government action; in order to reduce duplication of efforts its members accept that all threads they would have previously opened under their name be discussed by the Committees, and, if agreed by the members, be published under the heading of the related Committee, with them as Author. The following committees will be created as and when two Senators will decide so, one of them filling the Secretary function:
- Domestic Affairs (ComDAf)
- Military Affairs (CoMil)
- Foreign Affairs (ComFA)
- Economy and Finance (ComEF)
- Science (ComSCI)

5 All Senator can become a member of one or several committees, permanently or temporarily; as a consequence, the internal polls that the committees could decide to make will not refer to any quorum, but only to voters.

6. Each Committee nominates a Secretary to keep track of the members and maintain a list of current members.

7. Internal polls in committees are not automatically counted; each Senator posts his vote which is public.

8. The rules of procedures describing how each Committee intends to organize its works will be annexed to and part of the present Senate Rules of Procedures.

9. The incumbents of the posts opened in §1 and 2 are nominated then approved in a poll. These functions have no effects on the Senators rights.


2. A political organization (Thud proposal)
1. Supreme Bigwig(aka SAF, any name will do) :
keeps records of all laws, motions, resolutions, and otherwise that are passed, amended, or removed, as stated in the Constitution (Article II §12), as well as reports, minutes, treaties, and documents of any kind, created by the Senate. The Keeper of the SAF organize the filing in multiple criteria, mainly chronological, nature, subjects, and any other he finds appropriate.
2. Senate Majority\Minority Leaders:
A referendum will be taken to determine the party or bloc of voters that is most popular. i.e. people will say the Hawks have more power than the DIA or independents. The Hawk representative or leader will become the Senate Majority Leader, and the DIA and independents will share a Minority Leader. Each Leader would draft Agendas. Differing Agendas would lead to real purpose to opposition, and would clearly expose issues to the public eye.
3. Senate Oversight Committee:
A comination of ComDAf, ComFA, ComEF, and retaining those organizations as subcommittees. This is to simplify the process: any thread regarding domestic or nonmilitary foreign affairs will be submitted to the SOC.
5. The Senate Commission of Military Affairs (CoMil)
6. Commision on Science, Technology, and Development: Examines the method the President and Ministers take in futuring progresive growth and choosing techs.
All commisions will serve pretty much the same purpose and work pretty much the same way as Davout suggests.

3. A total absence of organization (GodKing proposal)
We don't need no stinkin organization. Just yell and say what ya want to say, when ya want to say it, and if ya don't like what ya hear, throw some o' those rotton bananas at whomever said it.

Quorum is 14
Neutral organization : approves the organization described under §1
Political organization : approves the organization described under §2
Absence of organization : approves the absence illustrated under §3
Abstain is counted in quorum and has no effect on the vote
This poll lasts for 3 days.

Last edited by DAVOUT on 21-11-2002 at 15:18

	21-11-2002 18:49									#2
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No organization!

We have a tough enough time getting ministers and deputies, why make more official positions.

I have an interesting idea how to record billls and laws passed under such a system too... We will make a Book of Laws thread. In it, each Bill, Law, whatever will be placed. Who is in charge of it? NO ONE Whoever writes the bill in question will be responsible for replying to the Book of Laws thread with a copy of the Bill/law/motion, and a link to the poll passing the bill/law/motion.

	21-11-2002 19:29									#3
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I recognize that yelling and throwing rotten bananas is quite tempting ...

	21-11-2002 20:09									#4
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Question.

I am not that familiar with the newcon yet, is this a simple majority, or a 2/3 type thing?

	21-11-2002 20:14									#5
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Simple. But if it is voted by less than two third, it can be vetoed by the Cabinet.

	21-11-2002 20:34									#6
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Actually, in the case of #2, if neither the Hawks, DIA, or any other party got the requiate 50% +1, they should need to get indepdants to cacuss with them for the purposes of picking the majority leader and chairmen of committees. (Losing colition would pick minority leader & ranking minority members.)

But this may be academic, with both #1 and #3 so far with more votes than #2.

	21-11-2002 20:39									#7
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I go with no organization.

Ummm...I would also say that as soon as possible, we move to remove the quorum rules on our votes.

	21-11-2002 23:30									#8
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No organization! It's jsut unnecessary clutterment!

	21-11-2002 23:34									#9
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Found this in the NewCon:

quote: (a) To propose a law, a senator must post a poll that is clear, unbiased, states the proposed law in its entirety, and gives three options: “yea”, “nay”, and “abstain”.

I think that invalidates this poll

	21-11-2002 23:53									#10
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Well, if "No organization" passes, no further action is needed.

But if either #1 or #2 win, apprently it will have to voted up or down on the yes/no basis to become offical.

	22-11-2002 22:47									#11
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As we have the power to write our own rules, I think, so long as we are in agreement, lets just let the poll go. And agree that we are the Senate and control our own rules and we can post polls, that are unbiased and pertinent, without having to restrict it to yes, no and abstain; so long as going outside that restriction does not make the poll confusing or ambiguous, and this poll looks fine to me.

	22-11-2002 22:58									#12
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If there were real parties that might be interesting, but I say given our current situation that no orgainization is be best choice.

	22-11-2002 23:01									#13
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I know, it's jsut that i think technically if something other than no organization passes we would have to have a yes/no poll. If no one objects to not doing that, thouhg, such a poll is unnecessary

	23-11-2002 00:45									#14
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hi ,

it seems like a great plan , ...... the neutral that is of course

it can only help us

have a nice day

	24-11-2002 17:58									#15
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The 3rd proposal has been approved by 61.90%

The Senate of Apolytonia, conceived in the new Constitution, is therefore just a word. The citizens are suggested to behave as follows :

*We don't need no stinkin organization. Just yell and say what ya want to say, when ya want to say it, and if ya don't like what ya hear, throw some o' those rotton bananas at whomever said it.*

In the case there would be a shortage of rotten bananas, I know a reliable supplier of rotten squiDs.

	25-11-2002 07:37									#16
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quote: Originally posted by DAVOUT In the case there would be a shortage of rotten bananas, I know a reliable supplier of rotten squiDs.

nice one, DAVOUT

	25-11-2002 14:58									#17
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The parties more or less seemed to fade away a long time ago. Not many have been speaking out on a Hawk or DIA platform in the last month (or longer?). It seems the only time you hear about the Hawks or DIA is if someone happens to have something about them in their signature...

	26-11-2002 08:33									#18
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[jokingly]
Who were the hawks or the DIA again?
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