21-11-2002 16:23									#1
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Hydey Report 1752
1650 Barbs attack Avilla, 1 musket lost

1660 Diplo brides barb crusader who kills 2 barb crusaders outside Avilla
Build some markets etc, move boats and vans

1670 spot Viking Phalanx just before it gets crushed by Mongol dumbo

1680 many vans enter Capitol to aid with wonder building

1690 Capitol completes Magellan’s
Deliver 4 vans into china and get 870 golden beakers in return

1700 Discover Sanitation and take a huge dump, big choice here, feudalism or bridge building , start bridges. Establish embassy with Celts
Find Viking city of Uppsala with that bloody empty boat.

1710 Diplo meets Mongols while popping hut for advanced tribe sign peace treaty then bribe legion to use as defender for new city

1720 deliver coal to Cardiff for 475 payoff

1730 establish embassy with Mongols , gift them Navigation and they give up maps

1740 change to democracy
Get physics from celts in exchange for iron working

1750 Discover bridge building , another huge choice of Chemistry or feudalism , start chem classes
Meet the Vikings and the first thing they do it demand gunpowder or else, or else what I say so we are at war with them

I found a few huts along the way and got a few wandering nomads, trying to move them back to cities for construction of roads etc

I tried contacting the warmonger civs and managed to get ceasefire deals done.

	21-11-2002 16:28									#2
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Saves have been sent, let me know if you don't get it .

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I'll start the polls this afternoon sir!

	21-11-2002 19:22									#4
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Got mine, nicely zipped, and forwarded to the home account. I should have time to open it tonight, hope to post polls tomorrow.

Overall, the Science Ministry notes that we are moving forward as planned. Got Magellan's per request of the ppl. Bridge Building a good start toward RR. Chemistry will be needed too.

Can we assume Physics was not offered???? I know we have Navigation, and I assume we have Literacy ... and those are the only requirements iirc.

Physics is required both for Frigate/Galleon and toward RR/Darwin's, so that's clearly our next goal.

Excellent round of play, Hydey.

Oh, and can you tell us what the Happiness situation is like and if any Lux adjustments were made?

	21-11-2002 20:45									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Hydey Saves have been sent, let me know if you don't get it .

Email: wrlang86us@yahoo.com

	21-11-2002 20:49									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Hydey 1700 Discover Sanitation and take a huge dump,

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The people demand screenshots

How was the transition to demo? Did we have to change workers, rushbuild happy improvements, etc?

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quote: I found a few huts along the way and got a few wandering nomads, trying to move them back to cities for construction of roads etc

We dont have corruption anymore so might as well build a few strategic city's with them if we can find good tradespecials

	22-11-2002 01:25									#9
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good play !
OK for science choices !
But we, basic citizens, need screenshots !
And now : why not growing with WLTPD, building acqueducs and sewer plants !

	22-11-2002 01:54									#10
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quote: Originally posted by -Jrabbit Can we assume Physics was not offered???? I know we have Navigation, and I assume we have Literacy ... and those are the only requirements iirc.

It was not offered the first time around and we got it from the celts prior to the next offering

I will be posting screenshots tonight.

mowing for 13 hours a day is not leaving much time for civ

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PHYSICS IS OURS!!

Excellent, Hydey!

Assuming our goals are still Railroad (Darwin's) and Explosives (Engineers), our choices are now simpler --Feudalism, Magnetism, Steam Engine, Metallurgy, Th. of Gravity, maybe Theology... What am I forgetting?

And what will we need after that? (Freights and Transports!!)

	22-11-2002 04:07									#12
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Another good session by President Hydey (now truly "president" in both senses)!

A few questions:

1. I notice we got maps from the Mongols. Have we given our own maps to them (or anyone else)? I'm not sure if you meant that they gifted us maps or if we traded maps.

2. Are you going to gift more technology to the Mongols to try out that "Key Civ" idea? They have considerably fewer than we do (37 vs 25, or something like that). It might reduce our research rate a lot to give them more.

3. We seem to be building way more Caravans than the Citizens voted for in the last poll. Will city production be changed over to Marketplaces and Libraries now that our trade arrows are high in Democracy? Or perhaps Colliseums to make those unhappy citizens (due to ships at sea) content?

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	22-11-2002 09:29									#13
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JRabbit-
Leadership is also available, but I don't think we will be needing it soon. (Although, it would pump the barbs up, increasing incursions on the weak civs.)

@ Celts

Hydey-
We need to finish our marketplaces and libraries. This will enrich our civ while increasing our tech lead dramatically. This is more important than camel breeding since we do not need another wonder right now. The cities that finish can switch back to caravans.

After that we can

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	23-11-2002 00:47									#14
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quote: Originally posted by cavebear 1. I notice we got maps from the Mongols. Have we given our own maps to them (or anyone else)? I'm not sure if you meant that they gifted us maps or if we traded maps. 3. ...Will city production be changed over to Marketplaces and Libraries now that our trade arrows are high in Democracy? Or perhaps Colliseums to make those unhappy citizens (due to ships at sea) content?

1. I know how to exchange maps, not how to obtain them as a gift !
2. I hate Collisea : they cost a lot in maintenance !
Markets and Libs are enough good for science and happiness, with an appropriate luxury level.

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quote: Originally posted by -Jrabbit Assuming our goals are still Railroad (Darwin's) and Explosives (Engineers), our choices are now simpler --Feudalism, Magnetism, Steam Engine, Metallurgy, Th. of Gravity, maybe Theology... What am I forgetting? And what will we need after that? (Freights and Transports!!)

The path is clear, but don't forget the techs which allow an upgrading of units as long as Leo's is available (freight, transport, cavalry and spy).

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quote: Originally posted by JCP 1. I know how to exchange maps, not how to obtain them as a gift ! 2. I hate Collisea : they cost a lot in maintenance ! Markets and Libs are enough good for science and happiness, with an appropriate luxury level.

I've never seen an unhappy citizen become content by building a Marketplace and/or a Library. Perhaps it would happen in Democracy because of the extra trade arrows, though. I always have Marketplaces and Libraries everywhere before I get to Democracy, so I'm not sure.

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quote: Originally posted by cavebear I've never seen an unhappy citizen become content by building a Marketplace and/or a Library. Perhaps it would happen in Democracy because of the extra trade arrows, though. I always have Marketplaces and Libraries everywhere before I get to Democracy, so I'm not sure.

In Republic building markets increased happyness and brought peace to a few cities, so I would assume there is some benefit in Demo as well.

	23-11-2002 05:27									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Zedd In Republic building markets increased happyness and brought peace to a few cities, so I would assume there is some benefit in Demo as well.

How can you determine that? I'm curious (because I do not know)?

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Markets dont only give +50% tax but the same in lux.

	23-11-2002 23:39									#20
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YES, market place give trade (then research) and happiness, so banks do.
Library has no effect on happiness, only on research rate.

	24-11-2002 00:05									#21
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quote: Originally posted by cavebear How can you determine that? I'm curious (because I do not know)?

if you turn cheat mode on in a game and do the cheat build, you can see a person's happiness change when you create the marketplace

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I got the save. My thread will be up by Sunday.

	24-11-2002 17:01									#23
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quote: Originally posted by cavebear How can you determine that? I'm curious (because I do not know)?

Take a saved game, experiment in a few large cities, noting what combination of specialists and Elvii you need to get what combination of happy/ content/ unhappy citizens, then sell some of the Marketplaces & Banks.

See them riot before your very eyes!

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No screenshots from the President?

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quote: Originally posted by H Tower if you turn cheat mode on in a game and do the cheat build, you can see a person's happiness change when you create the marketplace

Hmmm, never tried that. I will have to do so. I have a few old game files saved...

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