10-01-2003 17:13									#31
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I also will try some designs at the weekend. I hope it will not be , er, intimidating.

	10-01-2003 18:25									#32
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How does this whole "beastmaster" scheme relate to

A) the concept of multiple star systems?
B) the background story?

	11-01-2003 01:58									#33
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Its another cool Idea. It could relate to the background story. But then again the background story need not include it. Because the background story is in the beggining before planet fall. This is when the factions land. So therefore it doesn't matter. Multiple star Systems? Well that has nothing to do with this and it doesn't conflict with any star system ideas so I would say this beastmaster thingy is good and shouldn't provide a problem.
-J.B.-

	11-01-2003 07:57									#34
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I am of the opinion that background story is not just a prologue, but should be somehow present throughout the game. Just like in SMAC you'd have the theme of making contact with the Planet and preparing for transcendence in the background all the time. Also, if there are multiple planets, there has to be some explanation why the "beastmasters" show up in many places.

	11-01-2003 18:46									#35
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yes i agree with leland...but we have two alien races in the story right well maybe we can use them so to spread the beastmasters (need another name) to several other planets...but not all so that when you find a planet without them you have a very different planet as when you find one with beastmasters on them

	12-01-2003 00:12									#36
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I don't like the idea of using psychic powers.

I don't understand how you can say "no FTL" but not object to telepathy.

	12-01-2003 02:11									#37
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Mark123jansen,

Take a look at the SPDT Story thread and help gateway please. So we can see if this is good to put in the story.

Thanks,
Jeremy Buloch

	13-01-2003 12:17									#38
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OK, this rendering is still very raw, but I think I may post it (just for fun)
P.S. Any similatities between the alien image and some character you know are coincidence.

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	13-01-2003 13:18									#39
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I like it!

	13-01-2003 14:00									#40
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Oh cool! I saw this right after I posted in the SPDT story section. It looks so real! Thanks Targon.
-J.B.-

	13-01-2003 14:57									#42
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lol nice one DBTS Very informative.
-J.B.-

	13-01-2003 14:59									#43
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I think it looks too much like a hairy human.

	13-01-2003 15:01									#44
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J.B.: But it's sometimes enough
Suggestions (besides drawing parts other than face)?

	13-01-2003 15:06									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Leland I think it looks too much like a hairy human.

I think it's exactly the thing our writers were about to view. We have common ancestors with that guy, aren't we?
If not, which things needs to be different?
Draw some concept art, if you can. Send it to me via mail if you feel shy

	13-01-2003 15:15									#46
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Well The hairy So-Called Human is good by me. Its eyes even make it out to be sort of telepathically powerfull. Maybe make it a little more on the skiny side and less big boney cheeks. It would be fragile and wouldn't be strong in bones. As Mark said they are creatures that depend on others for protection.
-J.B.-

	13-01-2003 15:18									#47
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Thanks for feedback, J.B.!

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Your Welcome.

	13-01-2003 17:03									#49
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here's the list I posted in the SDPt story thread for processing in the game story:

Beastmaster:
-small about 1.5 meter or 5 feet.
-a bit apelike, hairy, hands etc (maybe extra fingers or something)
-they are intelligent, but at a stone-age level.
-their main strength is their telepathic abilities, because they are weak themselves and their are many strong predators on the planets they can control the minds of the predators to protect themselves.
-their telepathic abilities and intelligence are evolving to a higher level just at the time the humans arrive. (meaning they are creating a telepathic network like planet in SMAC/X)
-IDEA: the ecology's of M-class world have been created by an ancient now extinct alien race, but after they left the ecologies collapsed, evolving the peacefull creatures into fierce predators, and the caretakers (beastmasters) devolved to their present state.
(this would explain their presence on many worlds, and make them easier to incorporate into the story)

In my mind beastmasters look like monkey's that walk on two feet, look very skinny(with fur), brittle, physically weak, but with big black eyes that suggest phycic powers.

	13-01-2003 17:30									#50
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Furry sectoid, that is?

	13-01-2003 22:11									#51
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oh yes about the alien posted as i already said about it but i could have a little bit more darker look....a little bit more sinister....?

	13-01-2003 22:35									#52
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Yes, very nice image. But I agree with DBtS. It needs to be a little more intimidating. The way it is nowit, looks like it is scared or very surprised. Since it's eyebrows are lifted, and the corners of the mout point down, it seems to me like he is either about to cry or run away. And if the mouth might be the result of just some current emotion of the alien, the brows are in that position permanently due to the shape of the skull.

IMO, since this guy has telepathic abilities, he needs to look confident in himself. The brows should be lower, even maybe a little over the top of the eye. He should look menacing, I think.

But it's a great job for a "very raw image"

	13-01-2003 22:55									#53
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The more I think about it, it is probably also the shape of the eyes that makes me think he is scared. I played around with the guy in a graphics editor, and the result is attached. Of course, if it pretty bad, since I was editing the image you attached, but I just wanted to show how just a simple different shape of the eyes makes a difference.

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	13-01-2003 23:00									#54
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you are correct but perhaps the cheekbones has to be less round too...but i am not a facial expert or a graphics expert so i am content with almost anything

	14-01-2003 01:35									#55
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Yes, I have to agree. It does look like hes scared. Try to make his eyes a little more narrow. Also the mouth needs to be more straight or a little smile that is hardly seen but that makes him seem a bit amused of his abilities. Try to make him have a dark powerfull look.
-J.B.-

	14-01-2003 11:20									#56
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Very interesting eyes, vovansim. Promising idea.