21-11-2002 20:29									#1
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quote: Only 2 factions are known: aliens and "natives." So right now there's not that much to write, but if you Mark want to, you could come up with a few suggestions as their descriptions (aliens and "natives"). however GW or Blake might already have some ideas.

As you can see Rasbelin asked me to come up with ideas for natives and aliens, so far I've only given thought to the natives:

on M-class planet: colonists find traces that those planets where terraformed by an alien race long ago (thus all M-class planet have the same flora and fauna) But in their absence their perfect ecosystems have gone awall. Fierce spieces competition has given rise to dangourus predators and semi-intelligent "beastmasters" wich are able to telepathicly control predators and use them for protection. Since humans are a threath to them they attack bases at random. (if the rumors about a seperate battle screen where battles take place realtime, taking out the beastmaster would mean instant victory against natives)

I dont have any clear ideas about the predators at the moment but maybe some of you do?

	23-11-2002 00:14									#2
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well we are going to use PSI combat so some kind of mindworm will probably enter in the game

	23-11-2002 13:09									#3
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well thats what the beastmaster is all about, fighting him is psi combat, as he can also control humans. but to get to the beastmaster you have to kill all his subjects, manually with normal weapons

	23-11-2002 15:28									#4
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hmm predator? Well "Man" is a predator.
But seriously...
The Predator could be some sort of animal species that has hardly any sentients so therefore it is easily controlled because it doesn't have a strong mind that can fight back. This is all that I could come up with at 2:33 A.M. maybe when I'm awake I will have more intelligent thoughts.
-J.B.-

	23-11-2002 15:49									#5
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if the have hardly any sentients i would prefer that they would not be humanoid...beastmaster could be humanoids but the predators would be more like the mindworm we know from SMAC maybe bearlike or horselike

	23-11-2002 22:38									#6
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I agree with you, beastmasters could be something like monkeys (maybe an extra set of limbs) and predators could get bigger and bigger further into the game (like hatchling to demon boil from fanged rabbits to ultra killer grizzleys)

	23-11-2002 22:43									#7
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i like bunnies

	23-11-2002 22:58									#8
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well it doesnt have to be bunnies, but the weakest beastmaster should only command relatively innocent creatures, and the more powerfull ones should have creatures of pure terror (possibly employing psi-combat)

	24-11-2002 00:06									#9
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Hehe, what about cows? They made fine enemies in Diablo 2.

	24-11-2002 03:47									#10
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Yes I was thinking of having non humaniod animals. I should of pointed that out. Anyways... The Beastmaster should be a primate type creature so I fully agree with you peoples. The predators couldbe modeled after the species on Earth yet have totally different charicteristics. Like putting a Cow and a duck and making them one.
-J.B.-

	24-11-2002 18:50									#11
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Yes, I was thinking about a combination of a tyranosaurus and an elephant, big twolegged dinosaur, with a trunk and big claws.

also if we want to make a few totaly alien species, i'll look up some pictures of deep sea creatures, they always look alien

	25-11-2002 01:16									#12
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The problem with aliens is they often have 4 legs/2 legs+ 2 arms and a head. I'd prefer Aliens along the lines of "War of the Worlds" or "Independance Day", If you know what I mean

	25-11-2002 01:56									#13
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Off course, we must think of some original aliens, but it is possible that if there are planets like earth, the evolution of life on those planets will go in about the same, humanoid way. 2 arms, 2 legs and a head. Maybe throw in some variation (star trek?), but I think a lot of aliens could be like that.

	25-11-2002 05:54									#14
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Well yes. But in Star Trek the Aliens were like that because of another species that made all of them that way. It was in an episode with Jean Luc Picard. They were aliens that put the genetic code across the universe and all would be humaniods. Well almost all.
The Aliens would most likely be non-Humaniod or they could be humaniod I dont care about that detail. Just I dont think the sentient aliens will be animal like. So the Sentient ones could be sort of humaniod and the animal ones will be non sentient. I hope I make sense.
-J.B.-

	25-11-2002 11:20									#15
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Yeah, it does.

And about that episode, I saw it and I think it's the most ridiculous episode I ever saw. I mean, I'm a startrek fan, but this explanation of theirs, they could have done better.

And yeah, sentient sentient aliens could Mostly be humanoid, but not all. There could also be some nice monster-like sentient aliens like 8472 from voyager. (NOOO, not more star trek!!! )

	25-11-2002 12:12									#16
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Yeah I'm also a Star Trek fan and I agree they could of done better. That episode was just, well silly.
The "8472" was in another dimension so therefore they didn't get their little part in the silly episode.
I think an alien like 8472 would be good. Yet making it have "ESP" would be too much like Star Trek.
-J.B.-

	25-11-2002 17:05									#17
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Explain: ESP

Thanx

	25-11-2002 17:12									#18
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And back to the topic we go...

	25-11-2002 19:11									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Michiel Explain: ESP Thanx

Extra Sensorial Powers (toughts-read, etc...)

	26-11-2002 06:56									#20
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Thanks Ras,
ESP actually means: "Extra Sensory Perception"
lol. What Vulture is said is not it. But its close.

Oh and Ras isn't that Spamming???
-J.B.-

	26-11-2002 12:22									#21
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I have an idea as to how to make some kind of 'planet' such as in SMAC/X what if the beastmasters are evolving their telepathic ablilities into some sort of telepathic network, that only the higher level beastmasters, and later trained human empaths can enter

	26-11-2002 15:00									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Jeremy Buloch ESP actually means: "Extra Sensory Perception" lol. What Vulture is said is not it. But its close.

Consider it a typo error...

	26-11-2002 15:24									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Jeremy Buloch Oh and Ras isn't that Spamming???

No, it isn't. And I remind you that you too have been caught for spam in the past, so you should know it too.

Okay, back to the actual topic or the thread won't live for much longer.

	27-11-2002 07:53									#24
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quote: No, it isn't. And I remind you that you too have been caught for spam in the past, so you should know it too.

ok Ras I'm sorry Please! Forgive me!!


And Vultur consider it done.

Now seriously back to topic...

The Telepathice network sounds very intriging indeed. I like it. The Trained empaths are however a bit silly but I have no objections. Its good nontheless. The Beastmasters could be evolving their little telepathic abilities and the Humans could try to destroy them before the Beastmasters could become stronger. The Humans would be scared of the Beastmasters so thats why they would do it. Now I have a Migraine so I hope this makes sense.
-J.B.-

	27-11-2002 16:31									#25
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with trained human empaths, i ment something like trancendance like in SMAC, human empaths can enter the telepathic network and control the beastmasters from there,
good idea about the humans being afraid of the beastmasters next step in evolution, maybe there could be some sort of powerstruggle between the factions, to either let them evolve and assist their fragile intelligence, or to destroy the network at the roots and kill all the beastmasters.

	28-11-2002 01:19									#26
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Yes thats a great Idea. A faction Struggle sounds very cool!

	28-11-2002 17:44									#27
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I also have the idea that the upper-level beastmasters (or maybe some special class of "uber beastmasters")can mindcontrol smal bases with their telepathic powers, but doing that costs them all their energy so they cant control any predator soldiers and are vulnerable. (but they do control the bases' soldiers)

	29-11-2002 01:28									#28
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well a faction struggle could be implemented into the singleplayer campaign, I think it would be to complicated for multiplayer purposes

	10-01-2003 07:25									#29
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Why dont the Graphic artists start doing some 3D rendering on these aliens. I dont know what they should look like though. So maybe the artists can use their own design.
-J.B.-

	10-01-2003 12:56									#30
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yes, I hear Pandemoniak is jobless so maybe he could?