22-11-2002 01:32									#1
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If no option gets a majority, we'll hold a runoff.

	22-11-2002 01:47									#2
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I offer the same arguments as last time.

	22-11-2002 02:16									#3
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I think fast units are a must! So horsemen first. That means: research the Wheel.

	22-11-2002 04:26									#4
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I was arguing for wheel last time when debate was wheel VS iron. but with given choices now...

warrior code - out of question. We don't have immediate need. Unless we are diving toward monarchy... maybe.


ceremonial burial - temple could be really useful since I envision our cities to grow rapidly (we are gonna settle mostly on grassland/plain to find horse arent we?) im hoping tho but if we can find one or two luxury and connect them rapidly using our super workers we may be able to hold it off until we encounter rel civ. (we know 2 exist as of now Spain (roleplay) and Celt (GoW))


pottery - depends. If we are aiming for pyramid and we get it, we can trade for it from exp civ and hold off researching. If we are totalling giving up on pyramid (we might have competition for it) research this FIRST! but since we start out with mansory I don't see why we shouldn't even try to get pyramid ourselves. so

Alphabet - Route to another wonder I beleive is critical. Great Library. AI considers this one very valuable as well so if we have some AIs we may be able to sell it. But doesn't commercial civ start out with this one? I have no objection if we choose this one, but I think we can go with another tech as first tech. (nothumb)

Ironworking - Depending on size of the map, we may not even have to worry about being attacked, attack for long while. We can afford to make this tech the second priority or even trade ealry from first contact civ. generally most players dive into this one so I expect many teams to have this one and we may be able to offer another tech while other teams wastes their time working on this one. (nothumb)

Wheel - I prefer this one since it would emphasize early reconaissance with chariot and also may be a unique tech we can have monopoly with. No civ starts out with this one unless your japan and we may have many supplier of other techs from others but not many supplier of tech with this one. Thus we will have advantage when trading. ("Oh you don't want to trade tech under this circumstance? we will simply find another who is eager to accept!")

	22-11-2002 09:58									#5
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But I think everyone will probably research the wheel. We'll have a jump on iron working.

	22-11-2002 10:10									#6
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It's crucial that we find a sources of horses ASAP. Finding iron (first) would be a bonus, but won't be critical... our forces will be of the mounted type anyways.

	22-11-2002 19:05									#7
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We should contact another team quickly (if possible) and research in such a way that we may trade techs.

	22-11-2002 20:01									#8
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Close race...

	23-11-2002 04:51									#9
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Who is in the positon to break a tied vote?

	23-11-2002 07:11									#10
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wait, what BFM may be a good idea, making a diplomatic agreement to reserach a different tech and trade it isn't immoral or a cheating... We may want to express our interest in trading knowledge and show our side of 'eager to work together cooperatively side' as well. Perhaps planning for them to research say, wheel and us iron working and making a vow to exchange it wouldnt be a bad idea. We could gain alot from this early diplomatic agreement.

	23-11-2002 16:41									#11
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We should make our science agreements with Legoland. They are harmless builders anyway.

	23-11-2002 19:21									#12
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if possible...

	24-11-2002 05:39									#13
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4 more members who haven't voted. Come on guys, it's close.

	24-11-2002 05:53									#14
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IF Roleplay team chooses to become a Sci trait civ as they may be considering, then we may have a nice science trading partner.

	24-11-2002 14:59									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Calc II wait, what BFM may be a good idea, making a diplomatic agreement to reserach a different tech and trade it isn't immoral or a cheating...

This is actually called 'good strategy'.

Statusperfect - can I use that quote 'Legoland are harmless builders' as the second part of my signature? The first part will stay the same...

	24-11-2002 20:14									#16
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quote: Originally posted by BigFurryMonster Statusperfect - can I use that quote 'Legoland are harmless builders' as the second part of my signature? The first part will stay the same...

If you feel like it...

	25-11-2002 20:30									#17
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Why go for wheel first? If your goal is Horseback Riding ASAP, then go for Warrior Code, as this will at least give you the Archer unit!!!! I say all The Wheel votes be combined with Warrior Code.:doitnow:

	25-11-2002 22:08									#18
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Why would we go for Warrior Code first when we're trying to get Horseback Riding ASAP?

The main reason we want the Wheel first is to find the sources of horses on the map, not to build chariots.

	25-11-2002 23:42									#19
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Yes, but in every game I've played, horses are abundant. I'd rather have the archers to cheaply supplement my defense. Also, warrior code will be cheep, given the way others will play, therefore, it will take less time than the wheel to research.

BTW, I never said I wanted to be the science guy. Just let me be the muscle and mind behind the offense.

	26-11-2002 01:26									#20
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quote: Originally posted by WarriorPoet Yes, but in every game I've played, horses are abundant.

Exactly. So we should get Iron Working. We're Scientific, so we start with Bronze Working anyway. We must use our Advantage and not do whateveryone else is doing.

	26-11-2002 17:24									#21
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It also can take longer to hook up Iron than Horse. So Its nice to who where it is earlier. The General tech strategy I use in MP is to get IW and horse, then head straight for Monarchy. I find getting out of Despotism before your opponent to be important for getting a tech lead in the middle ages.

	26-11-2002 18:54									#22
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PB2000 has a valid point...from his perspective, I can see why we should go with IW first, and why I should not be involved in strategic research decisions.

Therefore, I'd like to change my vote, if possible to persue IW first, then go for horseman, then Monarchy.

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	28-11-2002 12:08									#23
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All 12 have voted now.

Looks like Iron Working it is.

	05-12-2002 03:45									#24
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We had a little discussion today: should we research a different tech, hoping to get Iron Working from a goody hut? We decided not to do that, to:

a) stick with the decision made in this poll;
b) ensure that we, in fact, _will_ research IW;

	05-12-2002 03:58									#25
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quote: Originally posted by BigFurryMonster We had a little discussion today: should we research a different tech, hoping to get Iron Working from a goody hut? We decided not to do that, to: a) stick with the decision made in this poll; b) ensure that we, in fact, _will_ research IW;

Of course we should. Anything else would be unfair.