22-11-2002 02:06									#1
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Okay, the number of teams has steadily increased over time, up to the point where we will most likely have all spots filled. Should we aim to get rid of AI teams altogether?

	22-11-2002 02:10									#2
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No. We voted in favour of AI.

	22-11-2002 02:18									#3
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Only if there are 6 human controlled teams or more.
If we remain to 5, I say YES to the AI.

	22-11-2002 02:20									#4
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We appear to have 6-7 human teams (5 confirmed, 2-3 in the works). A previous poll quite resoundingly stated that we should allow any team forming to be official with at least 5 members.

	22-11-2002 02:22									#5
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True. That doesn't mean we get rid of the AI.

	22-11-2002 02:34									#6
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Keep all 8 teams in the game. If the AI gets totally replaced by people, fine.

If there is only one AI team, fine.

Just keep all 8 civs in the game.

	22-11-2002 02:51									#7
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So this is asking if we should just play without them, or conquer them?

If the former... i think we should use AI untill we can confirm we have 8 human teams.

if the latter... my opinion is worthless

	22-11-2002 03:15									#8
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More teams = longer game. Smaller map = shorter game.

If we add more human teams I vote to get rid of the AI altogether as I dout there will be any AI in the multi-site game.

I am still for a smaller map for a quicker game. What is the max # of teams on a small map in PTW? Can that # be modded?

	22-11-2002 03:17									#9
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Max number of players for any size map and any MP game is 8.

	22-11-2002 03:23									#10
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I'd say keep max amount of human at 7. So we can have one ai if we decide at last min that we wanna include them. If we create 8 teams, we cant go ahead and disband one team....

That and my real intention was to assign each team a unique weekday for their turn.. that would be cool

	22-11-2002 03:35									#11
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I don't think we need the AI, but then again I never did....

	22-11-2002 05:07									#12
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If there are more than 5 human teams, get rid of the AI. To have an AI as neighbor would be an unfair advantage, because growing at it's expense and extorting it for techs etc. is very easy compared with a human opponent, and would be available only for a small part of the teams.

	22-11-2002 05:15									#13
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I fully agree with Sir Ralph.

	22-11-2002 06:02									#14
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I think we should move to eliminate any more human teams. I am not against anyone joining or playing, but we need to cap this off and have new members join the teams we already have.

There is a good cross-section of styles and ideologies behind the different teams we currently have. The more we add, the more we cripple the speed at which the game progresses. In the interest of expediting an end to this experiment in the conceivable future, let's be reasonable about new members.

I know some teams have capped off membership; maybe that could stand to be rethought in light of what its gonna take to keep this thing moving.

	22-11-2002 07:57									#15
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Anything over 5 human teams should have no AI, agree with Sir Ralph and Ghengis Farb.

	22-11-2002 08:02									#16
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I say keep the AI. I understand Sir Ralphs' concern, but that provides something of an incentive to other players to protect that AI player. The balance of power can be maintained even if one team or two teams get lucky.

	22-11-2002 08:08									#17
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Keep the AI.

	22-11-2002 09:17									#18
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Currently we have 6 teams. Another 1 is forming, and a team from a German civilization forum is making one.

That leaves 0 slots left for the AI should the final two teams get ready by December.

	22-11-2002 09:35									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Trip Currently we have 6 teams. Another 1 is forming, and a team from a German civilization forum is making one. That leaves 0 slots left for the AI should the final two teams get ready by December.

We may seriously want to consider what I think was GhengisFarb's idea of having 2 games with 3-4 human teams in each of them.

	22-11-2002 09:48									#20
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Multiple games?

Get rid of the AI? Unfair advantage to those who start near the AI civz...

Lets see if the German civ team and Jon Millers team and the rest of them can get themselves adjusted and up and running before we decide to disclude them from this game ,though. If not, then my to getting rid of the AI still stands...

	22-11-2002 10:46									#21
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quote: I say keep the AI. I understand Sir Ralphs' concern, but that provides something of an incentive to other players to protect that AI player. The balance of power can be maintained even if one team or two teams get lucky.

there are quite alot of circomstances where this just isn't possible.

NO AI,what is good for, absolutely nothing NO AI,....

	22-11-2002 10:57									#22
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Now that we seem to officially have 6 teams, I think removing the AI is a very sound idea. This game is supposed to be a human vs human competition. The AI serves only to complicate and interfere with that purpose. They could also unbalance the game.

Let's get rid of them.

--Togas

	22-11-2002 11:38									#23
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I concur, axe the AI.

	22-11-2002 12:14									#24
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2 games with 4 players each would be better than 1 game with 8 players IMHO.

If we think that we will ever finish an 8-player game then we are fooling ourselves.

	22-11-2002 12:31									#25
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quote: Originally posted by FrustratedPoet 2 games with 4 players each would be better than 1 game with 8 players IMHO. If we think that we will ever finish an 8-player game then we are fooling ourselves.

Such a game would most certainly take years! I agree with FP, it is impossible to say for sure that we can finish this game, ESPECIALLY if we have an 8-human team game.

	22-11-2002 13:49									#26
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb I concur, axe the AI.

GF also can have good ideas !

Axe the AI !

	22-11-2002 15:31									#27
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb I concur, axe the AI.

Yep.

	22-11-2002 16:29									#28
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Which team are you on, Eli?

	22-11-2002 16:35									#29
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The one Jon Miller started, we dont have a name yet.

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What about "Gathering Miller"? . Eli, btw, will you still stay in the team if it decides to play with the Arabs?