22-11-2002 03:19									#1
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I want to see the maps of Japan! I what peace for free! And I know 1 of them is not happening! (Still hate them )

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	22-11-2002 03:21									#2
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There cities:

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	22-11-2002 03:22									#3
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There homeland-1:

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	22-11-2002 03:22									#4
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There homeland-2:

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	22-11-2002 03:23									#5
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You have 3 day, and There homeland-3:

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	22-11-2002 04:47									#6
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As with the Chinese, I doubt we would learn much from Japan's maps. I wouldn't give them any tech for it. It's worth sending them Caravans if the Chinese don't want something we are offerring, though. And peace for free is about right; they are not a threat to us at the moment.

	22-11-2002 20:06									#7
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We need their maps to find cities for trading partners. IF we can't steal feudalism from the chinese, we should trade for it with Japanese or Carths.

	22-11-2002 21:24									#8
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We can only deliver caravans to their coastal city's, any other unloaded vans will probably get slaughtered by them

Trade vans that are in demand and witch the Chinese dont want.

	23-11-2002 06:23									#9
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We could just build and deliver an Explorer to the Japanese mainland... We *do* have a cease-fire with them at the moment. There is not all that much territory to explore.

	23-11-2002 23:53									#10
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Due to thei attitude, I doubt they are willing axchange maps.
So we have to discover their territory. As caravans are too vulnerable, why not a NON musketer (even if it's slow)

	24-11-2002 17:07									#11
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Just curious....what's the benefit to be gained by exploring their mainland, unless we're planning to invade, or build a city there? Are we planning to invade? Are we planning to build a city there? Are bannanas really yellow?

Am I asking too much to question the intentions of our renowned leaders?

	24-11-2002 19:05									#12
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quote: Originally posted by BruceTheStupid Just curious....what's the benefit to be gained by exploring their mainland, unless we're planning to invade, or build a city there? Are we planning to invade? Are we planning to build a city there? Are bannanas really yellow? Am I asking too much to question the intentions of our renowned leaders?

Well, we only know where 6 of their 10 cities are and we don't know where their capital is. It might be an excellent trade route target.

	25-11-2002 04:52									#13
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quote: Originally posted by cavebear Well, we only know where 6 of their 10 cities are and we don't know where their capital is. It might be an excellent trade route target.

I'm with you now . Do trade routes with capitals earn more because they are the capital, or is it purely dependant on size/ demand for trade goods/distance? Judging from one of the other posts, I assume it also depends on volume of trade generated within that city.

	25-11-2002 05:36									#14
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The capital is *usually* the largest in population and trade arrows especially with AI's. I just want to know where Kyoto is so that we can take advantage of the trade possibilities.

We are in agreement!

An Explorer could reveal the blank territory in just a few moves. I worthwhile investment, I think.

	25-11-2002 06:07									#15
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quote: Originally posted by cavebear The capital is *usually* the largest in population and trade arrows especially with AI's. I just want to know where Kyoto is so that we can take advantage of the trade possibilities. We are in agreement! An Explorer could reveal the blank territory in just a few moves. I worthwhile investment, I think.

We could send a diplomat instead. Explorers are quick but of little use once they've explored a given area, and the area in the centre of Japan isn't that large. However a diplomat could steal tech or bribe units/cities. Plus explorers cost 1 shield in support per turn, diplomats nothing. Whilst he might get expelled, I like to have the options a diplomat presents.

	25-11-2002 07:13									#16
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If I want to learn the territory, I send an Explorer. If I want to set up an embassy or bribe units.cities, I'll send a Dip. To every purpose, there is a unit...

	25-11-2002 17:44									#17
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Usally, when I going exporleing, I do it with dips, (always at the begginning, I use dips so if I find a foregin civ, and can make a embassy.)

	25-11-2002 22:43									#18
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quote: Originally posted by BruceTheStupid I'm with you now . Do trade routes with capitals earn more because they are the capital, or is it purely dependant on size/ demand for trade goods/distance? Judging from one of the other posts, I assume it also depends on volume of trade generated within that city.

It depends largely on the combined tradearrows of the 2 city's.

Some other variables:

Distance
Connected by (rail)road
Different continets
Wether Inv and Nav have been discovered
Caravan or Freight
Direct path to receiving city
Etc

	26-11-2002 05:25									#19
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quote: Originally posted by atawa It depends largely on the combined tradearrows of the 2 city's. Some other variables: Distance Connected by (rail)road Different continets Wether Inv and Nav have been discovered Caravan or Freight Direct path to receiving city Etc

Is there anything you don't know about this game? You constantly amaze me with the things you've learned. I didn't realize that having a railroad connection helped.

Question: What do you mean about "Direct path to receiving city"? You mean no intervening cities or do you mean an intervening ship transport or something else entirely? And is a direct path good or is it bad?

	26-11-2002 19:25									#20
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quote: Originally posted by cavebear Is there anything you don't know about this game?

A lot, check out guys like Samson in the strategy section, what they are figuring out now about the changes in demand and supply.

Compared to those guys I'm just a simple noob

quote: Question: What do you mean about "Direct path to receiving city"? You mean no intervening cities or do you mean an intervening ship transport or something else entirely? And is a direct path good or is it bad?

Take an explorer and let him walk from suplying city to receiving city via the GOTO command.

When using this path with the caravan it yields a higher revenue then taking another road.

Just one of the many glitches in Civ as stated in the GL

	27-11-2002 01:05									#21
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Beware, the direct path may be different from city A to City B and from city B to city A.
The use of an explorer to see the optimal path is interesting, because with other units, the GOTO path is corrupted by existing road and RR or easy ground.