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CiverDan
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In certain situations it may be OK. But if we get too aggresive with then then other human player may turn on us more than we want them too. There is a fine line between simply playing aggresive and being overagressive
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WarriorPoet
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I concur totally with Trip. Steeling, especially from human players always brings on a war. Face it, why were you steeling if you weren't already in a desparate position? Wars should be made, not suffered. In otherwords, it's infinately better to start a war than to throw off the invader. You also don't want to start one when you're unprepared.
Steeling is a bad idea. I'd rather be neutral or friendly for as long as possible. The Glory of War will go down ASAP in my opinion, followed by the GS, Legoland, if they play like builders will probably be the last target. We, unfortunately will have to face the reality of being an early target in the game, especially in the ancient era. We will have to extremely diplomatically conscious here. We will also have to play more defensive. Fighting only for required luxuries and resources. Naturally, if we can't get 15 good cities, then Libenzraum comes into effect.
I say again, instigation of unnecessary wars in the ancient era will be our downfall, especially against human players.
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WarriorPoet
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Yes, let cooler heads prevail, and let the enemies destroy each other while we prepare our mechanations of war!
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WarriorPoet
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No one seems to want the job of Foreign Minister...but I think I have read from at least a few people on our team who'd be good at it....I think I might be a little too long-winded at times...We would need someone who was subtle, consice, and a low-profile manipulator...
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WarriorPoet
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Where are the other team members in these discussions??? It's hard to guage the other talent when they don't participate. AdmiralPJ could do Foreign Minister...he'd just need some advisors making sure he was aggressive when he needed to be, but other than that, I think he'd be perfect!
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Admiral PJ
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Southeast England , UK
Dec 2000
time: 05:23
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I've said i'd be happy to be Foreign minister to start the first terms, I wrote at length about it in Warriorpoets poll for me (was that meant to get my attention? it worked  )
TRIP: I think your doing a great job, I hope you can carry us through to the end (i'm thinking of that complaint about official game settings etc)
It sometimes takes some guts to ignore lamers who moan and protest about little things, but thats management for you.
I and others would be glad to help you running things, if needed.
I'm sure telling the other players our women and children were suffereing from their pillaging our cities might make them think twice about aggression.. but in the end it comes down to who has the biggest swords.
Tech Stealing: There is still a chance stealing won't be detected, though they may guess someone stole from them if they see we have their tech.. but who's to say we don't have a lot of university geniuses working away hard?  
It could be interesting if the victim of the theft goes around accusing the wrong person.. foreign ministers should plead all innocence and try and put the blame on one of their rich enemies(with lots of cash).
It reminds me of Alpha centauri when you could incite wars with AI v AI wars, by making your espionage look like your enemy did it.
Using the millitary method , you can make a war on a weaker but more tech advanced civ, and then only make peace with them if they give you some techs (make it clear to them the wars about technology so they'll not feel penned in, and won't think your just being mean). This works well in Empire games in AI games, who knows what human teams will do..
Divide and Conquer.. in political terms and millitarily, maybe leak false information to 2 allies to make them antagonistic to each other.
I think I can be agressive when needed, my enemies don't normally forget me, or me them
Like in real life with the Suddham Husseins , the threat of force can be powerful.. a human player won't want to lose a couple of cities if it can help it, just place an army by their backdoor and they will do what you want.. it dosen't even need a big army if you have a few well trained, hitech units.
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Trip
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Hunt Valley
Apr 2002
time: 00:23
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Thanks guys. 
Carrying the whole PTWDG on my shoulders is a rough job, but someone had to do it.
Okay, anyways... 
More membership is definitely a good thing at this point. We need to get a larger stable membership base than we currently have. We don't want the fate of our civilization to rest on the shoulders of 5-6 people, some of which will no doubt leave the team at some point. Status, like I said in the other thread, feel free to go out and recruit people who you know will not fail us, and help us increase the Lux Invicta hegemony.
PJ, I like the idea of leaking false information.
We just have to be inconspicuous and reserved about it... making sure it's not obvious. Perhaps making some unpointed comments in our newzupdate, or saying something in jest (I'd be good with that, but I doubt other teams would buy me leaking any sort of information, unless I took it to the extreme, then they wouldn't buy it at all cause they know that's how I am ).
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