22-11-2002 18:00									#1
	MOO1: has anyone ever found the derelict? Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

I've been playing MOO again lately, and the random events are, as usual, killing me. The attempted assassination one always seems to happen to me after I've spent the whole game cultivating one of the AIs (and usually right before a galactic council vote). The one that really annoys me, though, is the ancient derelict. I've played well over a hundred games, but I've never had this event happen to me. Although it's not in the (otherwise amazingly comprehensive) strategy guide, I've come to believe that this event can't happen to a human player. Has anyone else ever had a game where they found the derelict?

	22-11-2002 20:33									#2
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I've found a derelect a few times.
Of course, if I remember correctly it was just "announced" that I found it on the GNN.

	24-11-2002 00:39									#3
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Never have.

	24-11-2002 09:17									#4
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I have once or twice, but not recently

That is back when I was originally playing the game in about oh 1996, I found it a few times. I haven't found one since I picked it back up this month while trying to take my mind off of moo3

	26-11-2002 11:16									#5
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Aren't random events effected by how well you are doing in the game? Like, good things happen to players that are behind, and bad things happen to the one who is ahead.

Maybe you are always winning, so you don't get the really good events.

I myself always turn random events off. Some are ok, and even fun. However, there are some that really ruin the fun for me, so I turn it off.

	26-11-2002 13:32									#6
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It seems that way, don't know if it is or just coincidence. I often play with them off as they are mostly boring after seeing them so many times.

	26-11-2002 14:21									#7
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I'm pretty sure I've found derelicts several times.
IIRC, the first race to visit an artifact system will always discover a tech buried in the sand.
Better send those scouts out fast.

C.

	26-11-2002 17:53									#8
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quote: Originally posted by nato Aren't random events effected by how well you are doing in the game? Like, good things happen to players that are behind, and bad things happen to the one who is ahead. Maybe you are always winning, so you don't get the really good events.

According to the strategy guide, probability of random events is based on the ratio between the square of empire's total production. So if the AIs have twice my production, I'm 1/4 as likely to get a bad event and four times more likely to get a good event. Since I always play hard or impossible, I don't catch up on production until well into the game.

quote: Originally posted by catullus IIRC, the first race to visit an artifact system will always discover a tech buried in the sand.

Not the same thing as the ancient derelict. The derelict is a once per game event, which can yield up to ten techs instead of just one.

	27-11-2002 12:15									#9
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quote: Not the same thing as the ancient derelict. The derelict is a once per game event, which can yield up to ten techs instead of just one.

Ah, that one. I always wondered about those messages. Don't think I ever had one happening to myself.

C.

	28-11-2002 12:55									#10
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I seem to remember getting the ancient derelict once or twice. I wasn't that great at playing, was generally behind the AI (on a very low level game), so that probably qualified me for getting a "helping hand" from the game events.

	28-11-2002 14:32									#11
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quote: Originally posted by DaveV Not the same thing as the ancient derelict. The derelict is a once per game event, which can yield up to ten techs instead of just one.

10?

In that case, can't say I have ever seen it.

	06-01-2003 16:59									#12
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quote: Originally posted by nato Aren't random events effected by how well you are doing in the game? Like, good things happen to players that are behind, and bad things happen to the one who is ahead.

Yesterday I run a test game. Only me (human) and the Klackons in a Huge Galaxy... Very early in the game (i only had 2 planets) I got the Start going Supernova for Sol... I could not invent the solar rejuvenator since my 2nd planet did not give enough reserve to double Sol's science output. So I would not say, that bad things happen to those who are ahead. I think, that of course bigger players get more events.

The derelict? I can't remember of ever having found it.