23-11-2002 05:31									#1
	CIV3: PTW delayed MOO3 Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

I think QS saw the fiasco that PTW was with the multiplayer component and decided they wouldn't ship MOO3 unless the MP was solid. That and IG would get a double whammy on itself if it allowed yet another game to be released with buggy multiplayer.

	23-11-2002 05:36									#2
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Thats just a little too paranoid.

	23-11-2002 05:50									#3
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I'm just wondering why they even keep giving release dates? Just say it will be ready when it is done.

	23-11-2002 05:51									#4
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Because this isn't 3D Realms...lol...

	23-11-2002 05:55									#5
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LOL, good point.

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	23-11-2002 06:22									#6
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THey could of gotten away with a "it'll be released when its done" thing before they had ever given a firm release date, it'd be awfully hard to go to that now that they have though ;P

In fact, I think Id even cancel my pre-order if they said that But more because im moving on the 15th of Dec, than because id be terribly upset ;P Although, I would be mildly annoyed and probally stop taking anything they say serious if they didn't release by christmas after giving 2 firm release dates. (ie. Take on a well, ill might buy it if/when i see it in a store attitude)

	23-11-2002 06:29									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Gooberman32 Thats just a little too paranoid.

Actually it's not. Chantz specifically said they were holding it back another week to fix several late-game multiplayer crash bugs.

	24-11-2002 00:10									#8
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Michaelangelo told Pope Sixtus IV (the POPE) the Sistine Chapel ceiling would be done when it was done. Not trying to relate QS, MOO3 and us to any of the above, but ...

I've been on preoder since Jan 30, 2002. I can wait a while longer if it will produce a game I can save from one session to the next.

	24-11-2002 06:07									#9
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well he's also holding back due to some nasty save game corruption bug.

	25-11-2002 20:15									#10
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Delaying to fix killer bugs is a good thing imo. Too many games have been spoiled (for me) because my earliest attempts to play it are met with crashes, corruption and other unpleasantnesses that mean they all have to be replayed from scratch. Ok its not quite so bad in a game like MoO where the start point will be different from game to game, but still, better to wait than to have all your paying customers screaming at you.

	25-11-2002 22:01									#11
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True, but we should be way past that point at this late date.

	25-11-2002 22:14									#12
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I don't remember Blizzard Entertainment giving release dates either...and they are known for taking forever to make their games. They have ":will release when they get it right policy". Cool that QS is following the same similar policy...... i think due dates is Infrogrames doing really, which QS learned to find good reasons to push it further.

I got PTW and i haven't bothered trying Multiplayer yet, lol i'll do so once they they have a patch available claiming to fix the multiplayer problems.

-Mellian

	25-11-2002 22:15									#13
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quote: Originally posted by vmxa1 True, but we should be way past that point at this late date.

possible, but sometime fixing one bug creates another one...

-Mellian

	26-11-2002 16:24									#14
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Yes it seems pretty obvious that any killer bugs must have slipped in as part of an attempt to fix other problems.

	26-11-2002 22:57									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Mellian I don't remember Blizzard Entertainment giving release dates either...and they are known for taking forever to make their games. They have ":will release when they get it right policy".

Actually, it's a standing joke amongst many Blizzard fans that the release date for their games is always "in 3-5 weeks". That's what newbies to the fan-forums who post several "when's the release date" threads each day are told. The vets just sit there and chuckle.
Experience has told the fans that no matter how long a Blizzard game has been in production for you can be sure that it is nearly ready.
The same thing is happening with the much-awaited new patch for Diablo 2. Blizzard have been saying that it is nearly ready for months and months.
The fans don't mind anymore, Bliz have the most fanatical fanboys around and can do no wrong.

	27-11-2002 10:43									#16
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my brother's been complaining about that patch. he's been told that it will deactivate his cd key and make his game unusable because he uses a maphack and pindlebot, and since that's cheating, blizzard will destroy his copy.

	27-11-2002 12:11									#17
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pindlebot?