23-11-2002 05:46									#1
	the pirates got MOO3 already! Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

You know that a build of MOO3 leaked out to the pirates already. I won't say where (of course), but it doesn't seem to be the leaked demo from a while back (since it specifically mentions CD images). I hope these pirates go to hell!

	23-11-2002 05:53									#2
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Nevermind, reread your post.

	23-11-2002 06:35									#3
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I seriously doubt that what I found is the leaked "demo"...there were warez groups named and such...

	23-11-2002 09:33									#4
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Actually I just found Moo3 on the net and yes it looks to be the real deal. The rip info states Myth did it =)

There gods in the warez field.

	23-11-2002 10:00									#5
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Well, I doubt it's the final as it isn't gold yet. Unless that's why we haven't heard a gold statement yet as they are trying to find the leak?

	23-11-2002 10:08									#6
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Actually, I remember someone saying on the Infograme forums that a beta tester leaked a build of the game so that's most likely what is floating around.

	23-11-2002 12:54									#7
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Speaking of Kangamoo...

I'm curious, what exactly was in said 'demo' I've heard many mentions of it, but I never really figured out just what level of content was in it.

	23-11-2002 12:58									#8
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Myth sucks and I haven't heard anything about a release, unless its just the alpha rehashed and sent out or another lame beta. The real copy will probably come out around the same time it does for everyone else, so just wait and buy it.

	23-11-2002 14:34									#9
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This is most assuredly BS. Except for the Myth bashing. Good job on GTA III.

MoO3 has not been released to the warez scene in any form that I'm aware of, and no warez group has made a release of MoO3... in any form, under any format. This includes the Kangamoo, the beta and any possible gold master candidates.

As for finding it, well it's not on the net anywhere, it's not on the usual [somewhat reputable] sites that offer warez release info to the unwashed masses, nor is it in... "the usual places." Nor can any references to this be found on google, except for this thread. Yet.

Give it a couple weeks, though.

	23-11-2002 14:50									#10
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are you sure it's not actually moo2?

	23-11-2002 22:02									#11
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I have come across files labeled things such as "moo3 cd 1" and "moo3 cd 2" however the filesize strongly sugest that it's just packed with crap ... I doubt moo3 total size is 100 megs ...

Still ... I actually will buy this game (the same way I'd buy Fallout 3) due to the fact that the dev. teams integrity while constructing a game that isn't streamlined for the marketing departement ...

Actually I belive we have only seen the intial phases of computer gaming ... If you draw a paralell to film history, the first films where shown at vaudeville shows and penny-slot-machines, generally they where concidered to have a negative effect on people. Later films evolved, saw times of echonomical independance (that is, film studios ran by film freaks rather then controlled by stock holders) and truly reached new heights.
Computer games need to be developed in a enviroment somewhat sheilded from the echonomical interests that funds the whole party ... the game that sells the most doesn't have to be the "best" game ... just the best marketed ... simply compare contemporary mainstream hollywood blue print following films with the films of the french new wave or when the films of coppola scorcece hit the silver screens ... Apocalypse now wasn't a box office blast but neither was Citizen Kane.
I'm not saying good games are doomed to echonomical faliure but perhaps they involve a higher risk ... still look at (another film paralell) the life work of Stanley Cubrick and you'l know it wouldn't be possible without creative integrity ...

I belive film and computer games have a whoile lot in common, both being relatively young mediums and both requiering a big production apparatus ... drawing a paralell might be fruitfull ...

	24-11-2002 01:17									#12
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What world do you live in where movies are not made by a bunch of stock holders. Yes there are independent movies out there but ther are funded by corporations who follow economic theory and business practice. Even sundance was started by redford I believe but only after he had his money by using technics such as marketing. But the gaming industry is alittle differnt though. I mean who saw the success of deer hunter(the game), I still can not comprehend the success of sims its a game I just dont like. In general you have to appeal to the masses unless you want the government to subsidize computer game companies. Which is a whole new topic. I am glad moo3 is being made personaly since the gaming markey is definatly geared more towards FPS, and very action oriented games.

	24-11-2002 03:09									#13
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"What world do you live in where movies are not made by a bunch of stock holders"

Movies are never, and I repeat, never made by stockholders. Movies are made by directors, screenwriters, actors and other artists. However, stock holders do oftenly affect the creative process and this does result in a decline in creativity and artistic integrity.

"In general you have to appeal to the masses unless you want the government to subsidize computer game companies"

I don't agree, to constantly seek to "appeal the masses" oftenly results in a lack of creativity and artistic vision. Such a populistic agenda results in stagnation. Few great directors ever asked themselves "hmm, now ... let's make a family fun film everyone likes". Of cource games should be made for people to enjoy but to constantly go after as many buyers as possible just gives you predictable results.

The thing is that there will allways be a conflict betwene capitalism and arts ... "producing" creative product isn't the same thing as producing coke ...

And I do belive films and computer games has got a whole lot in common, they are two different mediums, still they both requier a rather big production apparatus and a strucktured creative process ... building a computer game isn't building a damn word processor

	24-11-2002 08:15									#14
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Pirates!? We're doomed!

/jumps overboard.

	26-11-2002 11:05									#15
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I found the files named "moo3 cd 1" and "moo3 cd 2" also, however to me they look like they are indeed big enough to actually be the game.

Wouldn't people be worried about some virus or something? Its gotta be a lot less worry to just pay out the $50 and buy the game. If it lasts near as long as MoO 1 and 2, its one of the best $50s spent ever.

Anyway, now I have seen it all, a game hacked before it is even finished.

Anybody else old enough to get this?:

"there's been a new breakthrough in home-video marketing, sir ... Instant cassettes! They're out in stores BEFORE the movie is finished!"

	26-11-2002 12:48									#16
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sorry about any rumors I started....it seems like all the files up on the internet are fakes....so at least it's out of the warez doodz hands so far...

	26-11-2002 13:36									#17
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Nato many games are stolen directly from the devs and put out in the past, it is not new, They hack right into the network.

	26-11-2002 15:04									#18
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Oops, shows my ignorance then.

One (not too serious) theory I've had is that a reason games are released not-so-great is so that cracked versions are stuck with the pre patch game. That was what I really thought with Civ 3's air superiority bug.

	27-11-2002 05:59									#19
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I found Master Of Orion 3 Alpha, and it worked

However it was quite buggy, and most of the text was not yet inserted. So I quickly removed

	27-11-2002 10:21									#20
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you get what you paid for. and if you don't pay, don't expect to get the real deal.

	27-11-2002 10:37									#21
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Uh, noone "hacks into the network". Most often its someone on the inside leaking it, like the beta testers or some other small fry. Then there are also press copys sent to review sites getting leaked, noone is hacking into anything. Even setting up the builds on comps connected to the outside then having a weak security system seems dumb.

	27-11-2002 15:50									#22
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Got MOO3 Leaked Aplha from the Internet. Yeah, Yeah, call me a pirate... Actually I've already pre-ordered MOO3 because I've purchased MOO 1 + 2 too! GREAT GAMES!

1) For all you guys who have got the alpha but only see CGA-like colours, switch your desktop colour-depth to 16-bit. (And try newest Drivers & DirectX 9 if it does'nt work).

2) About the Alpha! Forget about it, it's not worth searching for. It's VERY buggy, crashes to Desktop ALOT, Research doesn't work well.

As most of you know, QS has streamlined the UI to fewer screens. In the alpha you have about a 1000 different screens and options and stuff. You would need a BIG manual for that one. Without one, it's almost unplayable.

Yes, I know, more complex == more good, but this is too much. There are almost no descriptions for research job, racial picks and so on.

But it looks promising anyway.

MAXIMUM RESPECT to QS! Only 10 more days? What the heck... We've waited for this game more than 2 years... So we can wait a little longer and have a FINE product then!

	27-11-2002 18:13									#23
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Yeesh! If you WERE wanting to download it, at least wait until it's available! Would the (extremely unlikely) possibility of getting it before others have outweigh the virus risk or the risk of downloading several hundred meg of crap?

There are very few games worth buying, but for me they have always included anything from Firaxis or Microprose. For the love of God wait to buy the damn thing!

Pirate something else.

	27-11-2002 20:34									#24
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So the pirate is the Alpha? Makes sence, seeing as the real-deal hasn't gone gold yet...

	27-11-2002 23:05									#25
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quote: Originally posted by _-olle-_ I have come across files labeled things such as "moo3 cd 1" and "moo3 cd 2" however the filesize strongly sugest that it's just packed with crap ... I doubt moo3 total size is 100 megs ...

MOO3 is currently about 900MGs uninstalled

	28-11-2002 18:09									#26
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quote: Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt Yeesh! If you WERE wanting to download it, at least wait until it's available! Would the (extremely unlikely) possibility of getting it before others have outweigh the virus risk or the risk of downloading several hundred meg of crap?

Not if you know where to go