24-11-2002 01:19									#1
	Diplomatic Victory Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

Is Diplomatic victory even a possibility in PTW MP? Why would you give up your vote to let someone win when you can try to win the game to the death? The goal of the game is to achieve victory isn't it? Unless you can't bear to see the currently leading player win I guess.....

	24-11-2002 01:32									#2
	Put an end to popups!

Well, if a team is cunning enough to get diplomatic victory, we should let it do so It a teams gets diplpomatic victory, it will become legendary

	24-11-2002 06:26									#3
	Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

Votes could be a huge bargaining tool

	24-11-2002 06:44									#4
	Got spare money?

You may be right Panzer.. but I would never sell something like that which has huge risk of losing...
Unless you engineer the vote to come out as a... tie..... hmmm excellent

	24-11-2002 09:24									#5
	Put an end to popups!

If a team is already in a position where it has no real chance of winning itself, it has no major reason not to vote for another civ that's been freindly with it in the U.N. election. And if all that's needed is a majority of the votes not counting abstentions (something I'm not sure about), in a two way race, all it would take is one of the other civs choosing to vote for someone instead of abstaining to have a winner.

From there, things really get complicated because a team that's not in the running for the election might guess that another team not in the running will vote for someone and try to vote to counteract that vote (in the hope of deadlocking an election that otherwise would have a winner), or might just figure that if there's likely to be a winner, they may as well have their say in who wins. So the possability of one civ's not abstaining could influence others not to abstain.

So if I were in hot pursuit of some other kind of victory, I would be very nervous about letting anyone else build the U.N. if I could help it. And if I were a builder civ that was on good terms with most of the others, I'd do my best to get it.

Nathan

	24-11-2002 16:41									#6
	Full PM-box? Change here!

The winner needs the absolute majority of votes to win a diplomatic election. If there are too many abstentions, then there is no winner

	24-11-2002 23:44									#7
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

You also have to play mind game that player X has secured majority of vote so "we must protect ourselves by deadlocking"... hehehee