24-11-2002 02:17									#1
	Semi-OT. Should I apply for this? Got spare money?

What do you guys think of this for a job that I might apply for. I just found it, and Beverly Massachusetts is two towns away from me. It kinda feels like I am about to meet emperor Palpatine in his lair, but it might also be somewhat fun.

Problem is I have a BA in Sociology, with a minor in history, and virtually no experience in the field. I have very nice technical writing skills and I could of course show them some samples of my university work.

Basically I am not sure I would want to work for them, but the industry would be cool. Plus, my current job affords no benfits, so I havent been to the doctor or dentist in awhile. For you socialized medicine people: No Insurance from your employer means a trip to get a physical from the doctor is outragesously expensive, not to mention my aching wisdom teeth.

I just dont know, I guess it cannot hurt to simply apply, correct? It'd be like working for the enemy though.


-FMK.

	24-11-2002 02:35									#2
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	24-11-2002 04:06									#3
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Just think though, mabye you could steal the code for Civ2!

	24-11-2002 05:55									#4
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Go for it!

	24-11-2002 06:00									#5
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Apply - what do you have to lose?

If you don't like the company, you can always work on bringing them down from within [not that I'd ever do such a thing. Honest. ]

quote: For you socialized medicine people: No Insurance from your employer means a trip to get a physical from the doctor is outragesously expensive, not to mention my aching wisdom teeth.

Socialised medicine kicks arse. Move to a civilised country before you get old and/or have kids.

	24-11-2002 07:20									#6
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Yes, Case, I actually intend to do so. Unfortunately the prescription drug industry here is so out of control, there is no chance of that happening in the States. Unfortunately, I am personally aware of situations whereby a person with a unique condition wasn't afforded proper (the absolute best) care in a nation with socialized medicine, however the absolute best here would make you so in debt that you might as well be dead anyway. As far as normal aches and pains though, I am a huge supporter of such things.

And yes, I think I shall apply. As you say, nothing to lose. I found out that this chick I went to college with now works there as a tester. I told her CivIII sucks, and she said 'dont worry, were patching it' they even have their entry-levels singing their tune! Interestingly enough, she graduated with a degree in sound recording, so I guess you dont have to be super qualified for that position at least.

-FMK.


Edit: changed the blasphemy of CivII sucks to CivIII.

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	24-11-2002 07:47									#7
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Socialized medicine...

	24-11-2002 08:42									#8
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Don't knock until you've tried it, ANZAC. It rocks.

	24-11-2002 10:14									#9
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I'd probably be dead without socialised medcine... (from heart disease when I was a kid).

From an economic viewpoint, socialised medical systems are actually a lot cheaper overall then private ones (governments, while not toally effecient, aren't likely to ever engange in predetory pricing).

	24-11-2002 10:39									#10
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Per capita health care costs in Canada (a victim of socialized medicine) are about half what they are in in the US. Health insurance is universal, as opposed to over 40 million people without coverage in the US.

	24-11-2002 11:09									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Case I'd probably be dead without socialised medcine... (from heart disease when I was a kid).

See thats the thing, my contrary example is of my step-brother who grew up with socialized medicine and a heavy duty heart condition of somekind. He was not given the most expensive state of the art tests, I assume because that would've exceeded his alotment. He came to the US to see some other doctors and had to pay for it, but they were able to better diagnose and treat the problem. He had been misdiagnosed and treated for so long that I guess it was too late. He died at 17 or 18 yrs old. I didn't know him very well, had only met him once or twice. Step mom didn't like it very much though.

But like for me, without anything particularly wrong... I think my oh-so-prosperous country should kick in for the workingman. There's enough to go around, you know

-FMK.

	24-11-2002 11:11									#12
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so if you do get this job, you'll be able to post all the game manuals before the game gets released?

	24-11-2002 11:18									#13
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Game manuals? Do they still make those?

	24-11-2002 11:20									#14
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Of course: in oh-so-convienient pdf format

	24-11-2002 11:31									#15
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yeah, now note that I always have alot of typos in my posts.... get ready, they will look great in print form!

or even better in pdf

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I can not say anything as far as socialized medicine goes. I am part Indian and I was born and raised on the reservation. (some time off, but not much) All of my health care is paid for along with everyone else in my family. My parents however, does still have health insurance. This is do to the fact that they now live off the Res and the hassle of the paperwork and the waiting for action is too great for my mother. She has Lupus and it is just easier for her to have a government job where she gets full medical benefits. She gets treatment from the best doctors in the state because of the insurance. Being in Montana I know this is not much but still, it is better than the free allotted medical she has received from the government. I would say that anything that makes your life better (i.e. health benefits) would be a go. I have heard many horror stories come from up north (I am only a short drive from Canuckada) and where I live I get two Canadian TV stations that talk alot about the over worked medical staffs that put out a bill that is largely paid by the local provincial gov't. In the end I would say that some health insurance is better than none and anyway you get it is justified.

P.S. I know I am in the minority here but I actually like Civ III.

	24-11-2002 14:39									#17
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I am just curious but if I am in Mountain standard time, How many time zones away from Grenwich mean time am I?

	24-11-2002 14:57									#18
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Socialized medicine is good in some ways bad in others. For one thing, it is NOT free, you pay taxes for it AND a monthly fee. You also pay for your own prescriptions. You also pay for smokers for instance who abuse their bodies as well as other drug users and prostitutes, etc that cost way more than the average person. So I like it because people are too stupid to handle their own health but I don't like it because I don't like paying for other people's problems, if I get sick I don't mind paying but I don't want to be paying for smokers, etc.

	24-11-2002 15:26									#19
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Before Thatcher decided to destroy it, we used to have the best National Health Service in the world here in Britain. Yes, taxes pay for it but IMO it's a good thing that the well-off subsidise the less-well off through taxes - health care, education, decent housing etc are all basic human rights and should'nt be the preserve of those who can afford to pay for them.

BTW, the tax on ciggies in Britain is so big that those of us who abuse our bodies in this way actually pay more into the health service than we ever get back Not sure if there's a tax on hookers, though

FMK: apply for the job - it sounds a hell of a lot more interesting than mine

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	24-11-2002 19:12									#20
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Jimmy: Rocky Mountain time is GMT -7

et Al: I gave up tryig to defend my ultra-capitalist ways with words long ago

	24-11-2002 23:00									#21
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quote: Originally posted by The ANZAC et Al: I gave up tryig to defend my ultra-capitalist ways with words long ago

Yeah, but your avatar still gives that impression!

	24-11-2002 23:04									#22
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The ghost of John C. Calhoun is still gonna kick your ass.

	25-11-2002 08:41									#23
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I showed up a bit late but I thought I'd throw in my two cents since government intrusion into medicine affects my family personally. All I know is that my old man gets paid about 50% as much as normal when he treats a medicare patient. If he refuses to treat that patient for such a low amount of money... oh wait, he can't refuse, it's the law.

It would be even worse if all patients were paid for by the government. He could work for a s**tload less money or find a new line of work; what a land of liberty, eh? You've got my vote ANZAC.

	25-11-2002 10:13									#24
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Why the hell would he refuse to treat someone because s/he can't afford it? You've provided the proof for public health care right there.

	25-11-2002 10:28									#25
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Yeah, that's a problem here as well Darius. Increasing numbers of Australian doctors are choosing to opt out of the government medicare system, and are charging their patients higher prices. The end result: people who can't afford the higher costs are going to hospital ERs, thereby paralizing that part of the medical system.

Still, most doctors remain happy to work for what the government pays them per patient (I just got back from a free optimetrist apointment).

	25-11-2002 10:33									#26
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I think the semi-OT thread has just gone total.

It sounds interesting FMK - albeit fraught with peril should your final product not match reality (There's a rumour going around that there might be occasional bugs in the software - hence leading to discrepancies in your manual! )

	25-11-2002 11:14									#27
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Yes. You're right. For a moment there I forgot I was a mod. Right. That's it. You people stop it this minute. Go talk about something else. Scenarios or something. Go hex-edit something...make icons and so forth. Go away.

	25-11-2002 17:41									#28
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quote: Originally posted by techumseh Yes. You're right. For a moment there I forgot I was a mod. Right. That's it. You people stop it this minute. Go talk about something else. Scenarios or something. Go hex-edit something...make icons and so forth. Go away.

Damn, I was just about to get on my left-wing soap-box

	25-11-2002 20:39									#29
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quote: Why the hell would he refuse to treat someone because s/he can't afford it? You've provided the proof for public health care right there.

Because that's his right. It isn't the Salvation Army, it's a job, and he doesn't want to get raped on prices. Left-wingers jump out of their seats when factory workers don't get paid what they're worth, but when a doctor is forced by the government to work for a certain wage at the risk of being thrown out on the street, you find that just? Let me guess, interest in the economic well-being of yourself and your family is ok for most people, but doctors don't deserve that luxury because people's lives are at stake.

That brings up a whole other problem: what kind of person is going to go through the 13 years of grueling study necessary to become an doctor and then work on shifts ranging from 10 hours to 48 hours long, when they are going to get paid the same amount as some bureaucratic slob in a cubicle with a bachelor's degree?

A few people will go through the work due to an idealistic, fairy-tale belief in "helping people", but the harsh reality is that most of the people who would have been doctors wouldn't even bother because there's no incentive to go through the hard work necessary.

Doctors get paid a good amount because the difficulty of their work and level of their education warrants it. If you remove that incentive no one will want to be a doctor, not to mention that those already working would begin to be disillusioned and sloppy because their labor's value isn't being respected.

	25-11-2002 21:03									#30
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Alright, you've had your say. Now let's get back on topic, shall we?