24-11-2002 10:18									#1
	MOO3: the inevitable Star Wars Mod Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

If MOO3 turns out to be as moddable as QS is saying, then a Star Wars mod for MOO3 is almost a certainty. We already have the galactic senate in place. So what races and empires would you include in a potential Star Wars mod, and what features (within the scope of MOO3) would you put in it.

	24-11-2002 11:48									#2
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The teddy-bears

	24-11-2002 16:00									#3
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Anything would be better than the dire "Star Wars: Supremacy" game that was given to us as a Star Wars empire building game Thank god i only had to pay £1 for it.

	24-11-2002 21:17									#4
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QS has claimed it's gonna be moddable? I thought they were pretty clear about that not being a priority.

Unfortunately.

	25-11-2002 05:22									#5
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No, I heard that it was going to be pretty modable. If I remember correctly many of the things in the game would be text type files; that is editable by almost anyone. (For some reason I seem to remember Excel being mentioned, however, I am to lazy to dig through the Orion Sector compilations to see if I'm right or not.)

	25-11-2002 16:22									#6
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I agree it would be cool to have a star wars mod but this won't happen.

MOO3 is moddable in the sense that costs and bonuses of buildings, weapons, race picks, etc. will be put in tab separated tables. These can be easily edited in excel so that you can 're-balance' the game yourself.

The art is highly integrated into the game and cannot (without *heavy* modification of the game code and art files) be modded.

So if you think that the harvesters aren't nasty enough or the guardian is too wimpy, you can (probably) 'mod' the game so that they get better bonuses.

But you won't be able to turn them into wookies! At best you might be able to change the name of your race to 'Wookie' and give yourself appropriate racial bonuses, but you'll be stuck with the existing races' art (and there aren't any Wookie-like 'man-in-suit' races any more!).

This is all paraphrased from things that Rantz has said over the years. Maybe he'll confirm this for you if he wanders by this thread.

	25-11-2002 21:38									#7
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I remember them saying the art hooks were accessible in text files and such....they even mentioned that beta testers have already figured out how to hack in their own art...

	25-11-2002 23:22									#8
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The beta testers have discovered that adding some very specific custom art is possible; replacing race art or diplomacy renders, or creating custom ship models, is something else entirely.

I would be surprised if any mods in the "Total Conversion" sense of the term come out. It's possible, but it would take a lot of work, which generally implies either a lot of funding or a lot of free time Nevermind the copyright/trademark issues if you were going to do something like a Star Wars or Star Trek mod...

	25-11-2002 23:59									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Xentax I would be surprised if any mods in the "Total Conversion" sense of the term come out. It's possible, but it would take a lot of work, which generally implies either a lot of funding or a lot of free time Nevermind the copyright/trademark issues if you were going to do something like a Star Wars or Star Trek mod...

Have you see Troops. Do not underestimate the Star Wars fan. Why the opportunity to Stellar Convert the World Jar Jar comes from would be tempting enough for some.

It may not happen right away but I expect a Star Wars conversion as well as Star Trek and don't forget <*insert your favorite Si-Fi series here*>

	26-11-2002 00:10									#10
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any SCI FI series? what about a Dr. Who conversion then?

	26-11-2002 00:20									#11
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I think the real question is: the original Trilogy, or the new series.

	30-11-2002 05:46									#12
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Is it possible to "save" custom races, and to have the AI use them???

	03-12-2002 05:38									#13
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Seeing as Star Wars is about as fleshed out as an onion skin, it wouldnt make the game any more interesting.

More obvious are the Trek and (my fave) Babylon 5. Both have a lot of sorce material to draw from for race design, plus interesting looking ships.

I always felt MOO2 felt a lot like B5 anyway, esp the ship combat. Shame the ships all looked like metal turds...

The mods for Homeworld were another matter. Perhaps Moo4 will incorporate a similar engine. I think fleet battles are going to be shite in Moo3, although I hope I will be proved wrong.

Out of every space 4x game evr made, only Moo2 has an enjoyable combat game - why screw with it?

Perhaps a Warhammer 40k would be a good laugh too.

	03-12-2002 23:43									#14
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Indeed a WH40k Space Game, if done properly, would be amazing, but GW doesn't seem to like to spend money on getting a decent developer to make any worthwhile computer games for them

	04-12-2002 06:26									#15
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Moo4, if ever it would come out, WOULD be realtime in the same slow manner as EU2 and Hearts of Iron, with custom player-controlled pauses.

PS... Star Wars mod? Lame... This is a game of high strategy, not one of teddy bears and light sabres.

	05-12-2002 23:26									#16
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I agree that Star Wars isn't as well set up as something like Babylon 5 in terms of being really layed out with solidly layed out and detailed spacefaring species. In B5 you've got the Earth Alliance, Centari, Narn, Minbari, Drazi, Vorlons, Shadows, League of Non-Aligned Worlds, etc. Star Wars is great but they don't delve into the non human non empire aliens as much. For example does anyone know if Yoda is a lone entity or a member of an actual race? (don't quote me anybooks I haven't heard of because I go by the official movies here).

I also think a Farscape mod would be beyond cool. Peacekeepers, Scarrans, Luxans, Nebari, Hynerians, Delvians, etc.

	06-12-2002 02:03									#17
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A Farscape mod? Now you're frelling talking!

	06-12-2002 04:00									#18
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Peopel who are talking about Star Wars not being flesched out ": have any of you read the new books? or any of teh books (probably number around at LEAST 75 by now)???When all you're goin by is 10 hours worth of movie, yeah, its worse than an onion skin, but read some of those.....

	06-12-2002 08:12									#19
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If there was a Hynerian race it would probably get +10 to helium production.

	06-12-2002 08:17									#20
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Ahhhh a farscape mod. That would be awesome........so if your playing as the Peacekeepers, do you get bonus points or Wormhole tech for catching Moya before the Scarrans do

	06-12-2002 22:49									#21
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Maybe they could have a leviathan training tech where you will be able to use Leviathans if you capture them and happen to have Pilots in standby.

The Farscape mod may run easier if it is setup in the same universe but not neccesarily with the same actual characters. Wait...scratch that. How can we not have Scorpius in the game?

	07-12-2002 01:56									#22
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Scorpy would make a pretty sweet leader, I'd admit. Research bonus, counter-intelligence bonus (pretty sure the "comfy chair" would cut down on enemy spies ), and give him an unrest penalty or something, since the rest of PK's can barely stand him.

	07-12-2002 03:11									#23
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I love Farscape, but again, Its not been (never will be ) fleshed out enough. Apart from the Peace Keepers, we really know nothing much about the other races, and know about maybe one ship for each (Nebari shuttle thing, Scarran Dreadnaught, Dargos fighter, nowt fo the others).

	07-12-2002 07:26									#24
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well the chances of it ever being fleshed out are minimal now.

	07-12-2002 20:56									#25
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I do think'll it will get done (Farscape getting more detailed on other races). It has a large fan base and regardless of the current setback, a movie, novels, and hopefully an eventual season 5+ will come along.

With the sci fi crap that is making it onto TV these days people will eventually get fed up and want good sci fi again. Farscape will be there.

I do think that the Babylon 5 universe would be the most detailed and layed out of them all. I would love to see Earth Alliance Cruisers having it out with lacerated hulls and starfuries scrambling all over. Then having the Centari and Narn ships locked into combat as well. It would be neat to see a Babylon 5 Mod where the Vorlons are in the role of the New Orions on the council trying to guide races into order while the Shadows are using agents like Mr. Morden to build up outbreaks of war in the universe. That would be beyond cool.

	07-12-2002 23:00									#26
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The Bab 5 bunch in a mod is a really interesting idea, I know that some folks are still working on trying to get the mod done for Freespace 2 along those lines at a website called The Babylon Project.

Sadly, Farscape was recently cancelled....so the wave of sci-fi crap is only going to get larger.

At least there's still some great games to keep my attention. IF they ever get released!

	08-12-2002 08:11									#27
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quote: Originally posted by space_kritter I do think'll it will get done (Farscape getting more detailed on other races). It has a large fan base and regardless of the current setback, a movie, novels, and hopefully an eventual season 5+ will come along. With the sci fi crap that is making it onto TV these days people will eventually get fed up and want good sci fi again. Farscape will be there.

Hopefully that will be the case, is there a farscape movie? But when it does come back it should be more publicised(sic?), it was a good show but there was very little advertising for it.

	08-12-2002 11:40									#28
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I definitely would not want to superimpose any other world mods onto the universe of MOO. It has a strength and depth of its own, and all you need--for a mod--is a good imagination to flesh out your own epic.

Give me the Meklars and Nommo any day over the Centauri or Jar Jars.

	10-12-2002 20:45									#29
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Hey I like the look of the MOO3 aliens too. I just like options. If you choose can start up the game with a style of choice that would be awesome.

Maybe someone could make a MOD manager (as many games have come to have)

Example:
1. MOO3 universe (default)
2. BABYFIED MOD (BABYLON 5 MOD)
3. FARSCAPE MOD
4. STAR WARS MOD

etc.

Hopefully the best artists/fans of the genre in question will model and insert the appropriate ships and leader pics in.

	11-12-2002 13:47									#30
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While mods are cool but i'd really like to play the original game if it comes out.