02-05-2003 10:52									#241
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My apologies Darius.I thought you saw my earlier attachment.

	03-05-2003 00:56									#242
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War Declared!!!

After spotting English military transports off the shore of the Reich and sinking them it became evident, on the course of regular patrols that the English had mobilized their puny fleet in position to attack the Reich. Therefore action was required and the fleet was sunk without any losses to the Kriegsmarine. Furthermore the Reichswehr has been mobilized to crush the English army.

Italy to Become Reichsprovince

In a joint operation the Reichswehr and the Kriegsmarine launched an attack on rebels in Italy this month to end the illegal rule of natives in that province of the Reich. Venice, Chokenburg (formerly known as Bologna), and Ancona were brought under control this month.

Denmark Enjoys Provincial Status

Denmark, in it's entirety, has become an official province of the Reich this past month. The standard of living has improved immensly already.

Jugoslavija Becomes 6th Reichsprovince

Jugoslavija has become the 6th Reichsprovince after Nederland, Daneland, Czechslowakei, Poland, and Italy. The Jugoslav people have welcomed the chance to live in the greatest empire on Earth.

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	03-05-2003 02:50									#243
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This is a despicable act of aggression against the United Kingdom and her commonwelth, those were peaceful TRADE convoys that you sunk and the Royal Navy was on routine exercises.

The King wishes to activate the Oceanic Alliance and urges Turkey and Spain to mobilise against Germany and stand by thier allies of Britain and Italy. In exchange for a declaration of war against Germany we Britain will send ALL of our technological expertise to help our allies.

	03-05-2003 11:22									#244
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OOC:

Trade convoys were not authorized, therefore even if they WERE trade convoys, they were still commiting an act of war by trespassing. Furthermore, the AI of Turkey and Spain have already declared war, however I urge those players to think before the plunge themselves into real warfare and ultimate destruction at the hands of the Paris-Berlin-Moscow Axis. There is no need for others to be dragged down by the poor choices made by Britain.

IC:

President von Chokenblatt has formed a Republican government, appointing a Congress and Senate and reforming the state's infrastructure. A new era of wealth and power has come to the Reich.

	03-05-2003 16:07									#245
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Italy to Become Reichsprovince

In a joint operation the Reichswehr and the Kriegsmarine launched an attack on rebels in Italy this month to end the illegal rule of natives in that province of the Reich. Venice, Chokenburg (formerly known as Bologna), and Ancona were brought under control this month.


Jugoslavija has become the 6th Reichsprovince after Nederland, Daneland, Czechslowakei, Poland, and Italy


The government of Italy is shocked-this can only be a transfer of friction from one game to another .We were allies when Italy posted her turn.then in one turn Italy is an enemy of the state of Germany.
Since all correspondence with the head of the German state have all been ignored.I see now the reason. I can assure you- you may destroy Italy as a major European power.However since you WERE ALLIED WITH ITALY -and didnt respond to any of my messages.I drew the conclusion you were planning something like this.
there shall be a suprise or two for you sir.

	03-05-2003 17:12									#246
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quote: Originally posted by beingofone The government of Italy is shocked-this can only be a transfer of friction from one game to another .We were allies when Italy posted her turn.then in one turn Italy is an enemy of the state of Germany. Since all correspondence with the head of the German state have all been ignored.I see now the reason. I can assure you- you may destroy Italy as a major European power.However since you WERE ALLIED WITH ITALY -and didnt respond to any of my messages.I drew the conclusion you were planning something like this. there shall be a suprise or two for you sir.

Dude, I already told you on AIM that Italy is part of the alliance system against Germany, France, and Russia. If there is still an 'in-game' alliance that is only because the German and Italian players forgot to break it off 'officially'.

	03-05-2003 18:34									#247
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Darius-I honestly dont remember you clearing that up for me-But at your word I retract the statement of us being allies[Germany and Italy]-btw just joking about the other game Choke-devastating attack-I only wish I could have played more than 1 turn.It would have been somewhat more difficult for you.

	03-05-2003 19:01									#248
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Hehe...well I was rather surprised that the in game alliance still existed at this point because Italy has been Britain's ally from the start and Britain has been my enemy.

	05-05-2003 15:02									#249
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quote: Originally posted by Darius871 Dude, I already told you on AIM that Italy is part of the alliance system against Germany, France, and Russia. If there is still an 'in-game' alliance that is only because the German and Italian players forgot to break it off 'officially'.

After thinking about your statement.Would it not be my choice, whom I am allied with and who I am not?

	05-05-2003 17:39									#250
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Well it's yours AND the person you want an alliance with, you can't claim to have been in an alliance with Choke just because YOU want there to be one!

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quote: Originally posted by greeny Well it's yours AND the person you want an alliance with, you can't claim to have been in an alliance with Choke just because YOU want there to be one!

To my esteemed ally-Greeny,with all due respect you missed the point

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In that case just pretend I'm not here

	08-05-2003 21:08									#253
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A big old bump!

	25-05-2003 19:33									#254
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I'm interested in seeing where this is going... *BUMP*

	25-05-2003 21:09									#255
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It's JMarks next isn't it?

This PBEM is going slower than a particularly slow and clinically dead, snail whose just been made professor of slowness at Oxford University.

	28-05-2003 05:49									#256
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Okay... should we just consider having Turkey go to the AI? This is ridiculous.

	05-06-2003 04:40									#257
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It looks like nobody's taking Turkey, just play on Greeny!

	05-06-2003 07:33									#258
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Yeah, play on.

	05-06-2003 22:21									#259
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okey dokey, playing now

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British Armed Forces mobilize for war...

Thr Prime Minister demands that the illigal and openly provocative Russain blockade of the English Channel be withdrawn immedeatly or be destoyed.

All British technogy is gifted to our allies Italy and Spain to aid in this war against despicable German Nationalism.

Does anyone out there want ot play Turkey BTW?

Who is next?

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	25-06-2003 22:49									#261
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FiGu???

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	25-06-2003 23:32									#262
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my turn after the brits??? omg, sry. ill post it tomorrow

	26-06-2003 22:04									#263
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The play order is

Germans
Turks
Brits
Spanish
Russians
Italians
French

So whoever is currently the Spainish, it's their turn.

	27-06-2003 01:12									#264
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	27-06-2003 15:34									#265
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I think Nibbe was Russia in this game? Or Darius could play the turn again. Either way...bump.

	28-06-2003 19:03									#266
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The purpose for me in playing geopolitical/wargames is to simulate reality.Putting myself in the shoes of the men at power of the time frame in the game.
In my opinion this thread is hopelessly flawed.Why you ask?It has nothing to do with simulating reality in the context of social world structure.When I agreed to play I was under the misguided belief that only the scenario rules text had been altered to restrict the rail problem-not so. There are other reasons and I will list them.
1-Germany as intended by Exile the designer starts with 17 field artillery-in this thread they started with 26.Germany as intended by Exile starts with 22 freight-in this thread they started with 31.
2-Is it standard in PBEM to delete your opponent's password so you can look at his deployments on the turn you attack?This is my 1st PBEM so I am asking a question.Then my next question would be why bother with passwords at all?This happened when Germany attacked Italy.
3-Is it standard in PBEM to attack with your navy.Then on the same turn gift 80% of your navy to your ally?It makes your ships that just launched an attack protected under another national flag.This is bending the intention of that ability in the game till both ends meet.This happened when Germany attacked England and Italy, then gifted most of the navy to the Russians[cheeeeeeezy]-Really simulating the real world huh?
4-I have played a grand total of 1 turn-and all this happened on my 1st PBEM-1ST TURN.
I have a suggestion.Why dont we just gift Germany with nukes and get it over with.Or maybe we could all play a first person shooter where aliens heads explode and ooze green blood.
Choke I am sorry if this response offends you but duuuuuude what is up with you?Does winning mean more than the enjoyment of truly testing your skills?If you lose are you less of a man?Are you more of a person if you win?

	28-06-2003 19:18									#267
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Ehum, we are playing Chokes version of AOW!!!!
in that version does it have more artillerys, more freights and no rr's
2- Did you use the orginal Aow? because we are playing aow chokes version, passwords can disappear if you are playing the wrong version.

	28-06-2003 19:29									#268
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FiGu wrote-Ehum, we are playing Chokes version of AOW!!!!
in that version does it have more artillerys, more freights and no rr's
2- Did you use the orginal Aow? because we are playing aow chokes version, passwords can disappear if you are playing the wrong version.


1-all the other Civs have the same amount of military units but Germany in Choke's version.If you look at the thread he introduced his version after the sides had been chosen.
2-I used Choke's version-thats funny about the password.It remained intact thru French turn and disappears on German turn.Naw I dont believe it just removed itself.

	29-06-2003 00:23									#269
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quote: Originally posted by beingofone 2 - Is it standard in PBEM to delete your opponent's password so you can look at his deployments on the turn you attack? This happened when Germany attacked Italy.

WHAT? OF COURSE it's not standard! Why didn't you say something earlier?

quote: Originally posted by beingofone 3 - Is it standard in PBEM to attack with your navy.Then on the same turn gift 80% of your navy to your ally? This happened when Germany attacked England and Italy, then gifted most of the navy to the Russians[cheeeeeeezy]-Really simulating the real world huh?

WHAAAAT? How the hell did this happen?

quote: Originally posted by beingofone Choke I am sorry if this response offends you but duuuuuude what is up with you? Does winning mean more than the enjoyment of truly testing your skills? If you lose are you less of a man? Are you more of a person if you win?

To be honest I think it's damn stupid to start a war this early, when we're sitting here with almost no armies and piddly-**** 3-citizen cities, but it's his civ and he has a right to do whatever the hell he wants with it.

Not ALL games here are meant to recreate history precisely. That only happens when all the players are committed to doing so. If one player decides to attack another when this wouldn't have happened in reality, too damn bad, this is civ. The best you can do is just try to beat the bastard.

	29-06-2003 05:34									#270
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"1-Germany as intended by Exile the designer starts with 17 field artillery-in this thread they started with 26.Germany as intended by Exile starts with 22 freight-in this thread they started with 31."

This was unintentional, Germany's turn played lots of times, the first turn, when I was making the changes to the scenario because I saved it as a scenario after each round of changes. I didn't think it would make that big a difference and I tried to disband most of the new units, and if you look at AOW #2 CFC, I'm not Germany, I didn't do this to make Germany stronger, it just happened.

"2-Is it standard in PBEM to delete your opponent's password so you can look at his deployments on the turn you attack?"

I did NOT do this.

"3-Is it standard in PBEM to attack with your navy.Then on the same turn gift 80% of your navy to your ally?It makes your ships that just launched an attack protected under another national flag.This is bending the intention of that ability in the game till both ends meet.This happened when Germany attacked England and Italy, then gifted most of the navy to the Russians[cheeeeeeezy]-Really simulating the real world huh?"

No one has ever suggested to me that this was against any rule all it does is force England to war with Russia if England wants to attack my navy, Russia will be at war with England eventually anyway...so I don't see the problem here.

"I have a suggestion.Why dont we just gift Germany with nukes and get it over with.Or maybe we could all play a first person shooter where aliens heads explode and ooze green blood. Choke I am sorry if this response offends you but duuuuuude what is up with you?Does winning mean more than the enjoyment of truly testing your skills?If you lose are you less of a man?Are you more of a person if you win?"

I have not cheated, I have used the rules to my best advantage, if I did NOT do that then I would be cheating the rest of the players out of a challenge...are you that bitter about Italy being attacked that you want me to simply lay down my arms and allow Germany to be conquered? If I'm not going to try my best to win, why play?