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Aro
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Ipanema
Jul 2002
time: 02:23
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My two cents... In the 50's, and the beginning of the 60's, a lot of great jazzmen were in Europe, especially in France (for many reasons, including racism and abuse of drugs, they had to leave the USA). You will not find any other people in the world who likes jazz in such way (the French people), except the American people (and me!  ).
Another interesting contradiction: Woody Allen is a success in France, and barely can find money to make his films in New York.
The Americans... well, French things are "très chic", like fashions, cheese, champagne, restaurants, Literature and Philosophy (the upper classes in America love the French). Or you can just take a look at the influence of the French Existentialism in the "beatnik" movement in the 50's and early 60's... This influenced the hippies, in a certain way. In the 30's and early 40's the American writers used to go to France to do their job... Not to mention that Vietnam was a problem received from the French.
There’s a 'cultural war' happening, but USA and France are so involved one with other since the beginning of the 20th century... You can’t have a winner, and THIS explains a lot...
If you don't believe in that bullsh*t, ask the Canadians to see how they manage this... 
Now seriously, I’m reducing such complex interaction to few examples; students of History, Sociology and things like that will lynch me, I know, but as an overview… isn’t so bad. There’s something real in all that crap, IMHO… 
France and USA are like a married couple... some fight, some sex, some misunderstanding, some repulse, some attraction... and are both xenophobic (just kidding!)!
In other words, a perfect couple!
Last edited by Aro on 11-12-2002 at 10:59
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DAVOUT
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AUERSTADT
Jun 2002
time: 05:23
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quote:
Originally posted by GhengisFarb
This is just a highly civilized conversation. |
An American who has always liked France and French history deserves a kind answer on De Gaulle. De Gaulle, when he began dealing with the Americans, was nothing, and has nothing making his claims legitimate; he choose to be tough and Roosevelt despised him because he was not a democratic representative of the French people. This bad start never improves until the end of WW2. This does not mean that he hated America, and the relations between De Gaulle and Kennedy (remember Cuba ?) were more than friendly.
This personal attitude of De Gaulle during WW2 was not adopted by the whole French people, and by far; the truth is that there was a strong communist party supporting Russia against America, and they made a lot of noise, but the majority, not blinded by ideology, had really positive feelings toward the US. To day, it seems that you American resent badly any criticism we make, or any disagreement we have, but what would be friends who do not tell what they feel ? Cant we like the Silicon Valley and dislike MacDonald ?
You know that from the birth of the USA, our two nations have never been at war; no other great nation has this chance.
For the sissiness, some figures could help understand what sissiness really is: In WW1 the losses of French soldiers amounted to 3550000 killed in action plus the wounded, that is about 70000 killed per month in average.
In WW2, the 1940 campaign caused 100000 French soldiers killed in action in 6 weeks.
In the first six weeks of Barbarossa, the Russians have lost much more ground, just the size of their country changed the outcome.
France, as a nation, is more than one thousand years old. And I have a great deal of respect and admiration for what all those guys before us have accomplished. I am not proud of it, because I have not played any role in the past, and my only concern is: would I have been up to the task? This is also the reason why I do not despise those who have failed or lost battle because nobody knows for sure that in the same circumstances, he would have been more courageous or more talented.
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Tiberius
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Europe
Jan 2000
time: 06:23
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Hallo,
I'd like to ask you something, that has nothing to do with our game.
Could you please tell me some web sites where I can practice my german? I'm learning Deutsch now and I'd like to read more (learning about Präteritum, Konjunktiv II or other gramatical rules helps only until a point ). It should be in easy german (or at least a not very difficult one) and with interesting articles. I was thinking to some newspapers, magazines, something similar. To give you an idea, one magazine that I liked in Germany was the Focus (although it was a bit too difficult for me). I'm interested in politics, economy, science, science-fiction, global issues, civ3  und so weiter.
Danke schön und viel Glück mit dem PtW Spiel!
Tschüss,
Tiberius
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11-12-2002 09:12
This is why I want to read more.
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