27-11-2002 00:11									#61
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quote: Originally posted by Trip People are naturally inclined to be more attracted to others the same race as their own (similar origins). That's just how it is...

The astonishing numbers of "Asian babe" sites suggests that your theory may be flawed.

	27-11-2002 00:21									#62
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quote: Maybe it is the sub-culture thing. My black teacher in 8th grade was one of the best guys I ever knew.

Believe me, I know a lot of white girls who are fluent in Ebonics and think are gonna be stars on Ricki Lake or springer. A lot of it, I think, has to do with the Rap and gangster mentality that gets pushed in movies, music, and the media.

I think, regardless of skin color, it's a poor outlook on life, and avoid any women who act that way.

	27-11-2002 00:32									#63
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quote: Originally posted by Trip People are naturally inclined to be more attracted to others the same race as their own (similar origins). That's just how it is... nothing racist about it, unless you turn it into that kind of an issue.

This couldn't be more wrong for me, love asian, hispanic, Middle Eastern and other groups sometimes more then I think I like white women. Have no idea why this is, perhaps I just got bored of what I saw all over in magazines, movies and TV. Never got a strong attraction to black women as a whole. Most of the black women I am attracted have mainly white features.

I don't associate black "attitude" with Jerry Springer or trailor trash. I think many black women are brought up to be strong and speak their mind and God bless em.

	27-11-2002 00:32									#64
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Lazarus, that may be due to a kind of 'exotic' mentality associated with that sort of thing. Just speculation of course.

quote: Originally posted by DetroitDave Believe me, I know a lot of white girls who are fluent in Ebonics and think are gonna be stars on Ricki Lake or springer. A lot of it, I think, has to do with the Rap and gangster mentality that gets pushed in movies, music, and the media. I think, regardless of skin color, it's a poor outlook on life, and avoid any women who act that way.

Indeed. It goes both ways. I live in an area that's about 1/2 white, 1/4 hispanic and 1/4 black so I know what you mean.

	27-11-2002 01:40									#65
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To be honest I go for white or mediterranean girls mainly. Not necessarily by conscious choice, but it's what I find attractive.

Some black women can be hot, but there often too likely to be uhm "large boned". Far East Asian women are too small and skinny (I am 6'5" 210 so logistics count too ). Indian Subcontinent women can be very attractive, but the sex appeal isn't really there.

Anyway I am a sucker for green eyes and/or Irish accents, which you won't really find in anything other than Irish girls, who tend to have pale skin...

	27-11-2002 02:09									#66
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quote: Originally posted by Boddington's "But I get so tired about people whining about how beauty pageants make fat girls feel bad. It's their fault for being so sensitive about their body image" How about it's their fault for being so fat? I don't mind a few extra pounds in the right places, but it is possible to do something about your weight..

That wasn't your attitude when I felt sick at the concept of screwing Julia

	27-11-2002 02:10									#67
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger I thought among all people, you would oppose to beauty contests on the grounds of feminism.

I do oppose them. I oppose them on the grounds, that, regardless of whether the pagents are about beauty or some other criteria, they are attempting to define "the perfect woman." This is sexist regardless of whether or not it is about beauty. (Beauty pagents for children, however, and a completely different kind of disturbing).

What I was objecting to previously was the comment that beauty pagents are merely about pretty dumb bimbos, which in and of itself is a sexist critique.

	27-11-2002 02:12									#68
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quote: Originally posted by Boddington's Nope. Although I must say I'm surprised that not many agreed with my comment about their attitude problem.

That's because most of us realize that you are the one with the attitude problem, so we laugh at you.

	27-11-2002 10:12									#69
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara I do oppose them. I oppose them on the grounds, that, regardless of whether the pagents are about beauty or some other criteria, they are attempting to define "the perfect woman." This is sexist regardless of whether or not it is about beauty. (Beauty pagents for children, however, and a completely different kind of disturbing).

	27-11-2002 10:16									#70
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Sikander reminds me of the people that denied the Holocaust happened.

(While covering eyes)
"What, I can't see anything wrong here"

	27-11-2002 11:41									#71
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara I do oppose them. I oppose them on the grounds, that, regardless of whether the pagents are about beauty or some other criteria, they are attempting to define "the perfect woman." This is sexist regardless of whether or not it is about beauty. (Beauty pagents for children, however, and a completely different kind of disturbing). What I was objecting to previously was the comment that beauty pagents are merely about pretty dumb bimbos, which in and of itself is a sexist critique.

About a b'zillion years ago when I was going to community college, a controversy arose when some men started complaining that they weren't permitted to enter to college's beauty contest. One suggested remedy (which unfortunately wasn't adopted) would be to open the contest to both genders...with only one winner. Now, that would have been an interesting contest.

	27-11-2002 11:46									#72
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Boddington's is a troll...he said that just to get a rise out of you...

anyhow, as for that part of the discussion, I can honestly say that I like light skinned girls. But to me an African or an Asian can be light skinned for their race, and I find that attractive.

I'll also admit that I prefer straight hair to curly or 'black' hair...so when a black girl is light skinned and has straight hair, it's much more likely I'll be attracted to her.

But of course there are always exceptions, and some girls just look good no matter what they have or don't have...

The Angola pic for example...not light skinned but I find her attractive

	27-11-2002 11:54									#73
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Beauty contests are interesting. They do broadcast an image of how women 'should be', but on the other hand, aren't they a representation of popular perceptions? A mirror instead of an arguement?


I like women of all races and creeds, honestly! Although dark-haired, chocolate skinned women make me go all rubbery, thats just a superficial thing...

So who did I end up marrying? A brown haired, green-eyed, pale-skinned Anglo-Saxon. C'est la vie

	27-11-2002 19:31									#74
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident I kind of agree with their attitude problem if you look at my post closely. But do you find that is a problem even in England? I find black women have an attitude problem here. But many were raised in single parent homes with no father. They have no idea how to treat a man. Again this is not a knock on their race. It's more of a poverty issue with higher divorce rates. Many white women who grew up with no father have no idea how to treat a man as well.

God, the racism, sexism and general bigotry in this thread is astounding, especially from you dissident

No idea how to treat a man? I'm sure you would have been much more comfortable in victorian times. How do you treat your women?

	27-11-2002 21:42									#75
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I like women. I don't mind if they are black, white, yellow, brown, red or even purple. You can find a lot of differences in women from various races. It is a matter of how attractive that particular woman is.

	28-11-2002 05:55									#76
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you find me a bigot?

I disagree. You do not read my threads clearly. Not all black women are like that. Hell even most aren't like that in the world wide population.

I'm sorry but you are gay and unless you've had a girlfriend you don't know sh!t about it.

OK I've went through my entire life having women treat me like sh!t. My girlfriend dumps me but now she is writing me to get back together after her divorce. I suppose it is OK for women to just trample all over a guy's feelings. What am I supposed to do, let her repeatedly dump me and get back together with me when she feels bad?

And I treat women like they should be treated- with respect. Is it too much to ask for that in return?

	28-11-2002 06:03									#77
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident you find me a bigot? I disagree. You do not read my threads clearly. Not all black women are like that. Hell even most aren't like that in the world wide population. I'm sorry but you are gay and unless you've had a girlfriend you don't know sh!t about it. OK I've went through my entire life having women treat me like sh!t. My girlfriend dumps me but now she is writing me to get back together after her divorce. I suppose it is OK for women to just trample all over a guy's feelings. What am I supposed to do, let her repeatedly dump me and get back together with me when she feels bad? And I treat women like they should be treated- with respect. Is it too much to ask for that in return?

No, but you're generalising way too much. Women are human and I'm sure there are just as many men who treat women that way (this certainly doesn't excuse women who act like that though).

And I have had girlfriends

	28-11-2002 06:36									#78
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Given Boddington's location and stated preferences, I suppose it's safe to assume the black-faced sheep are going to be safe. Not so sure about the white faced ones, though....


Honestly, what a crock of skit.

Yeah, all black women sure got some attitude, and that makes them SOOOO unattractive. I mean they're all the same aren't they? Regardless whether they're American, Brazilian, Moroccan, Mauritian, British, Jamaican or Sudanese, they're all BLACK so they're all the SAME with the SAME attitude, irrespective of their differing upbringings, or religions, or politics.

Pure unadulterated taurine faeces.

As a pale-faced alabaster-skinned honky, I'm very glad to state that opposites attract, and have attracted in the past, and no doubt will continue to attract in the future.

Every culture and society defines its own standards of what is beautiful, from bound feet to crossed eyes, sloping foreheads and scarified skin- but to make judgments about someone's beauty based solely on their skin colour (and how many different varieties of 'black' can we think of anyway?) and that somehow therefore their skin colour or ethnicity predicates a pattern of behaviour, is deeply racist.

	28-11-2002 07:12									#79
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well I'm also against men that treat women like dogs too. But usually they are bigger than me- so I can't do much about it. I really would like to kick the asses of men who abuse women.

If I were bigger I think I would be a vigilante. I think that would be cool. Just like Charles Bronson.

	28-11-2002 07:17									#80
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Or Charles Manson.

	28-11-2002 07:36									#81
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Oh I should mention the girl I knew in the navy again. She definately cannot be stereotyped as the typical black woman. She was the sweetest human being I have ever known. She wasn't much of a machinist mate- but she was so nice I couldn't fault her for that. She was good at doing the paperwork and stuff. She was kind of short. Thin. She didn't have a big booty- although it wasn't flat like a white girls. She didn't have an attitude. She was religious, but not the annoying kind of religious. Very high moral values.

Probably the best human being I have ever known.

	28-11-2002 08:14									#82
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quote: Originally posted by Evil Knevil Beauty contests are interesting. They do broadcast an image of how women 'should be', but on the other hand, aren't they a representation of popular perceptions? A mirror instead of an arguement?

I think it's a feedback loop.

People sees what kind of women win in beauty contests -> this sort of women being beautiful gains wider acceptance in society -> more women modeling themselves after this image -> more women of the same image entering beauty contests -> more women with the same image win -> etc.

	28-11-2002 10:44									#83
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident She definitely cannot be stereotyped as the typical black woman. She was the sweetest human being I have ever known.

See... they're you're also treading on dangerous ground when it comes to racial tolerance. What is the stereotypical black girl? That's like saying you liked her because although she was black she had 'proper white values' or something.

The trouble is do we take the view on race that the PC-nazis would have us take which is 'race is purely skin colour and nothing more' or do we take Nimmy's view that there is a psychological element in there as well in terms of attitude.

What Dissident is saying sounds more like an apologist take on it like arguing 'Well yes they are mostly like that - but some are ok'. Which is just as much a bag of snakes as what Nimmy was saying.

The trouble is you have to separate the race from the cultural thing. You can find black girls unattractive because of their skin tone - that's allowed. It's like saying you find fat girls unattractive or really like those girls ( and guys ) who will only date our darker skinned brethren.

Now the cultural thing... you can find that unattractive too but that's nothing to do with race. Personally I hate all those ghetto and would-be-ghetto ****** that you see on TV. I've never been to an inner-city district in the American heartland so I can't comment whether that's the reality but though many black people may act like that it's a question of upbringing rather than race. There are plenty of whites and hispanics that act the exact same way - take Eminem for example. It's nothing to do with race, it's just a lifestyle and you have to learn to separate the two in your head. Not have the attitude that goes; well Eminem is just 'acting black' because there is no such thing.

What a person is like is determined by their upbringing. Perhaps if racial prejudice was involved in that upbringing then their race might factor but people are people wherever their ancestors came from. The fact is a lot of black and hispanic people living in America do so below the poverty line but what Nimmy is referring to as 'the attitude' is a by-product of a lower-class inner-city background. It has nothing to do with the fact that they are black.

The only difference race has in-an-itself is some genetic effects in terms of diseases ( sickle cell anaemia for example ) and the more obvious things such as appearance.

You can't say you don't find black people attractive because of their attitude because their attitude has nothing to do with the fact that they're black. You can say you don't find them attractive because of their skin tone because that's an issue for your libido rather than your conscious mind. But saying there is such a thing as a racial attitude is just one big, stupid bag-of-snakes. It's a stupid generalisation that fails to closely examine the real issues involved.

	28-11-2002 11:08									#84
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I liked Molly Bloom's post - it saved me the effort.

Dissident, I think you need to socialise a bit more. Try and understand others and appreciate their finer points. Some of the sh1t you are writing comes across a little scarily.

	28-11-2002 12:07									#85
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what?

I'm not the one who makes these stereotypes. I was just referencing stereotypes you see on TV. Yeah I know real life isn't TV. But I have never really been around african-americans except at work. So I really don't know. I plead ignorance. If I could be around them more I would. But I just can't make friends.

To tell you the truth I can't say what the stereotypical black girl is like. I've only known 1 of them. I was just trying to guess what you guess thought of them. I'm sorry I can't figure out what you expect.

And I probably do need to socialize more. But I only have 1 friend and 1 ex-girlfriend who treats me like crap but wants to get back together. No one else wants to associate with me . But I like to think that is because I'm a computer nerd who doesn't binge drink or do anything cool.

I'm pissed that you think I'm racist. Perhaps what I wrote was wrong. I'm not the best writer (one of many reasons I never went for a masters degree), and I'm certainly not the best at conveying my thoughts. Hence I'll never be a writer.

I've had sex with black women. I would like to have them as girlfriends. I'd be friends with black men if I could. What is your problem with my attitude? Are you offended I use the term "black". I apologize I grew up in the early 80's.

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	28-11-2002 12:09									#86
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now I'm really pissed.

I'm not the one who used the term white values.

I have no idea what that mean. I have never heard of it.

What makes you think I'm even white?

	28-11-2002 12:10									#87
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f*ck this thread

I can't even like a black woman without being called a racist.

And it wasn't me who said they didn't like them because of their attitude that was someone else. Read the thread. I said I don't like that attitude no matter what race has it.

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	28-11-2002 12:19									#88
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And what about my post is scary?

I am at the bottom of the social ladder. So my actions have no effect on others anyways. So even it my attitude was ****ed up, I couldn't hurt anyone with it. I'm like the lowliest person in the U.S. I am scum.

	28-11-2002 12:58									#89
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident Oh I should mention the girl I knew in the navy again. She definately cannot be stereotyped as the typical black woman. She was the sweetest human being I have ever known. She wasn't much of a machinist mate- but she was so nice I couldn't fault her for that. She was good at doing the paperwork and stuff. She was kind of short. Thin. She didn't have a big booty- although it wasn't flat like a white girls. She didn't have an attitude. She was religious, but not the annoying kind of religious. Very high moral values. Probably the best human being I have ever known.

What the f**k is wrong with this post???? Nothing, that's what.
If denying the truth of racial stereotypes based on personal experience gets people flamed here then this forum is even more dumb than I thought.

	28-11-2002 12:59									#90
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It's even more dumb than you thought.