27-11-2002 06:39									#1
	The million dollar question. Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

So now that v1.14 has been released the million dollar question is does this patch fix MP? I've been holding back on buying PtW because of all the bad word of mouth it has recieved here at 'poly and now I'd like to hear from a few of our loyal 'poly users. Does patch 1.14 make MP usable and enjoyable? I'm primarially interested in multiplayer; should I buy PtW?

	27-11-2002 06:58									#2
	Support Apolyton

Yes.
Yes.
Yes.

	27-11-2002 08:25									#3
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

I've just played a game with 5 People, with minimal lag.
The new patch is a HUGE(and this is not the good word) improvement... now MP is Playable and Enjoyable!!!!!!

Have a nice day

	27-11-2002 08:39									#4
	Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

1.14 unbelievable.

I mean it seems to have done the impossible and fixed almost all the problems.

	27-11-2002 08:41									#5
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

Much improved multiplayer. Now I remember why I paid for this game!!

	27-11-2002 13:42									#6
	Inflate your Upload Space

wil they mark new boxes with the current patch or will I have to buy the game and they load the patch from the internet, how big is it exactly? (subquestions: Is the first patch included, do I need another PTW disc or can I multiplay with the original?)

	27-11-2002 14:56									#7
	Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

quote: do I need another PTW disc or can I multiplay with the original?

most multiplayer games need 1 cd per (network) computer. But 99 out of 100 times, you just start the tame with the cd, remove the cd and put it in a 2nd pc, start the game, remove it, and put it in a 3rd pc. etc. etc.

rarely a pc might as for the cd, in that case just remove it from one of the other pc's and put it in.

I think that's legal, the game wants to be sure you bought the game to start it. You can prove that by putting it in initially.

	27-11-2002 20:15									#8
	Increase Your PM Length

thats not legal but we'll pretend it is.

without a licence, it's one copy, one machine.

	27-11-2002 20:38									#9
	Increase the size of your Attachments

quote: thats not legal but we'll pretend it is.

of course that's legal,
at least the dutch law says one cd can be used within one household. according to the dutch law it's even legal to make copies of a cd for use within the same household!

I have two computers, I can use my civtw on both computers! It's not that both my computers need to buy the game, I must buy the game.

	27-11-2002 23:29									#10
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It is not legal in the US.

	27-11-2002 23:35									#11
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

vmxa: and apolython is in greece not USA.
Greece... the place where videogame are illegual...
http://news.com.com/2100-1040-956357.html

Edit= Unless they have have changed this law voted this summer

Last edited by cronos_qc on 27-11-2002 at 23:40

	28-11-2002 00:12									#12
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition

Ah, but isn't Apolyton's mainframe/server located on U.S. soil? I believe it is.

	28-11-2002 01:46									#13
	Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

No, Canadian soil, right?

	28-11-2002 01:56									#14
	Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

Well I'm still skeptical. I mean the people that told us that there were no problems now tell us that all the problems are fixed, less than 24 hours after the latest patch was released. Some of the bugs that were surfacing were from a month of testing on 1.04. I think I'll wait a little longer before jumping to any conclusion at this point.

	28-11-2002 03:37									#15
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

quote: Originally posted by cronos_qc vmxa: and apolython is in greece not USA. Greece... the place where videogame are illegual... http://news.com.com/2100-1040-956357.html Edit= Unless they have have changed this law voted this summer

I am not sure where it is hosted, but I had thought it was not in the USA and I know about the Greek law, but I thought the reference was to using a CD on more than one PC. I do not know if that is legal anywhere, althought it was stated here that it is in at least one place. I would wonder about that as I seems to me that will make it very hard for companies to do business in that land. Since it is such a small market, they may not sweat it.

	28-11-2002 03:43									#16
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First of all, that Greek law was retracted.
Second, the Ploy server is in N.America
Third, I would think that no matter what the nations law says, according to the PTW liscence it's one disc/computer. If the game was made in dutch land, then it would be one disc/household.

	28-11-2002 04:18									#17
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Poly Server is in Texas, not the USA

	28-11-2002 04:20									#18
	Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

quote: Originally posted by vmxa1 I am not sure where it is hosted, but I had thought it was not in the USA and I know about the Greek law, but I thought the reference was to using a CD on more than one PC. I do not know if that is legal anywhere, althought it was stated here that it is in at least one place. I would wonder about that as I seems to me that will make it very hard for companies to do business in that land. Since it is such a small market, they may not sweat it.

APOLYTON MOVES TO NEW SERVER!
(21 April 2002, 10:06 | About | 147 comments) The people of the Apolyton Civilization Site are happy to announce the move to a new server.

After 3.5 years in the GameStats Network, Apolyton is now hosted on Settler, it`s own decidated server, serving 100% the needs of Apolytoners around the world(and being payed 100% thanks to your support!). The Settler is located in Texas, USA and is powered by Pentium 4 running Linux

Some technical issues:
1) DNS changes should reach your isp`s dns server in the next 48 hours. Until then, you can use this address http://64.246.32.51/~admin1/forums/ to access the forums
2) Subdomains for hosted sites will be working in the few days. The same goes for staff members` and hosted site owners` mail accounts and files access
3) The commercial side of Apolyton(ads(including pop-ups on downloads pages), store, regular firaxis payments ) will return.
4) File attachments in the forums should now work for all browsers
5) Until the dns change reaches you, links like the news menus which use apolyton.net url`s will send you to the old server so you might not the most latest version of the page

A new era begins today on Apolyton. With your support, thanks to which we are here today, we hope that it will be the longest one by far. - MarkG

ACK!

	28-11-2002 05:13									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Switch Third, I would think that no matter what the nations law says, according to the PTW liscence it's one disc/computer. If the game was made in dutch land, then it would be one disc/household.

Laws over-ride clauses in contracts. CyberShy is referring to any software sold in The Netherlands (to home users, I would think). Software published by a Dutch company and sold in the States or Canada would be subject to American and Canadian law over any language in an EULA.

	28-11-2002 07:58									#20
	Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

So, in that case, if say Sealand were to set a law that warezing is legal, then any sealander could legally warez?

It just doesn't seem right to me....

	28-11-2002 08:57									#21
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

quote: So, in that case, if say Sealand were to set a law that warezing is legal, then any sealander could legally warez?

Yes. What recourse would the publishers have? Aside from the USMC?

	28-11-2002 09:00									#22
	Get a bigger avatar today!

btw, that is essentially the situation in many markets where you can go down to the market and buy just about anything on burned CDs. The local laws and law enforcement agencies do not care, so the black market thrives.

It is so bad that some publishers (MS) are declining to launch (and thus support) any software in some vary large markets where piracy is 'legal'.

	28-11-2002 11:10									#23
	Full PM-box? Change here!

quote: Third, I would think that no matter what the nations law says, according to the PTW liscence it's one disc/computer.

I think it's not that smart to license games that way, no matter if it's legal or not. How many households will there be where more than 1 cd will be bought? Will there be any?

If you make a rule that can't be enforced, don't make that rule.

	28-11-2002 11:45									#24
	Support Apolyton, buy Alpha Centauri

OTOH, where does a home end and a home based business begin?

Try the one CD per household rule in Canada or the US while operating a business, and find out just how short that leash is should you be noticed.

	28-11-2002 11:59									#25
	Get a bigger avatar today!

Has Firaxis got you on some sort of retainer or something?

	28-11-2002 12:01									#26
	Inflate your Upload Space

No. Does Microsoft have you?