27-11-2002 15:39									#1
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As I'm located in the west of Ireland and have no access to anything which most folks would call an "acceptable" internet connection, it is a bit of an effort for me to download a 9.5 MB patch.
PTW is due to be released here within the next few weeks and I wonder if the latest .14-patch will be included in the UK-version.
Anyone ?

	27-11-2002 20:59									#2
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Better be - can't think of any other reason for the delay

	28-11-2002 03:25									#3
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I doubt it will have the latest patch if any..I think they're having enough trouble getting the original out..

	28-11-2002 04:15									#4
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I would of thought the reason for the delay was to patch the discs before selling them or to make new ones.

	28-11-2002 07:41									#5
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In Australia they cant even give out a release date,

	28-11-2002 07:48									#6
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look on civ3.com,
I think they can email you the patch.. but this may well not be any use, still its better than downloading and getting cut off..

Otherwise , maybe they can post you a patch cd.

Normally patches are put on the retail cd's with the latest version .. unless they don't have the money to start a new cd run.

Some nice person could send you 8 floppy disks with the patch on, using winzip to make the file span a few disks.

	28-11-2002 08:39									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Hydey In Australia they cant even give out a release date,

Perhaps because I threatened them with the Trade Practices Act if they released the game in its current incomplete form

The Australian Competition and Consumer Policy Commission and the Australian Consumer Associaton is just waiting for them to release the game now

	28-11-2002 08:56									#8
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Oh puleeeeaze.

	28-11-2002 09:00									#9
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The game in its current form breaches 2 sections of our Trade Practices Act - false and misleading conduct; and misrepresentations. Very heavy penalties for both and it only takes one complaint. What the game says on the box is not what the CD delivers. That's a clear breach.

I'm not surprised they pulled the release date

	28-11-2002 09:03									#10
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And which MS release of the last 20 years has not?

	28-11-2002 09:11									#11
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Believe what You like

Unfortunately I can't tell you what I know

	28-11-2002 09:15									#12
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OK. What is that guy's name? Blowhard?

	28-11-2002 09:27									#13
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All I know is the game release has been delayed in countries with strong consumer protection laws - draw the dots yourself

	28-11-2002 09:31									#14
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Yeah right, Horsie.

It couldn't have anything to do with wanting to release a better product for those other markets, could it?

Your theories of state sanctions are good for a hoot though.

	28-11-2002 09:59									#15
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Million dollar fines tend to get the attention of companies that need to make a profit

	28-11-2002 10:04									#16
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So, I guess NWN hasn't been released there either?

What happened to Activision for CTP2?

How about Asus? i remember then releasing a mother board for NorthWood CPUs that could not POST with one. One needed an processor from an earlier famility to POST the board so the BIOS could be flashed for the NorthWoods to work.

How about nVidia and ATI? ATI especially cannot seem to get a driver set right right off the bat.

Hey, how about MicroSoft and their OS's? Shouldn't a network OS have security nailed down? How many fines have they paid?

What about them Horsie? Huh?

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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither So, I guess NWN hasn't been released there either? What happened to Activision for CTP2? How about Asus? i remember then releasing a mother board for NorthWood CPUs that could not POST with one. One needed an processor from an earlier famility to POST the board so the BIOS could be flashed for the NorthWoods to work. How about nVidia and ATI? ATI especially cannot seem to get a driver set right right off the bat. Hey, how about MicroSoft and their OS's? Shouldn't a network OS have security nailed down? How many fines have they paid? What about them Horsie? Huh?

Did you complain about them or did you just bend over as usual?

I know someone in Australia complained about PTW - to the right people too, including the appropriate Ministers

	28-11-2002 10:21									#18
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Did anybody complain about MicroSoft?

You are so full of it Horsie, they may give you a new name...

	28-11-2002 12:17									#19
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If they take this type of thing to court and prevail, it could lead to some companies not release to that market.

	28-11-2002 19:21									#20
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If they prevail and companies choose to withold their products it will clearly show they have no confidence in their own product development process. If those companies lose profits to the ones that do then its corporate evolution in action. Maybe in a decade or two we will be back to having some faith that version 1.0 of a software product is free of all significant bugs for standard platform configurations.

This is all deeply hypothetical though

	28-11-2002 19:53									#21
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When I saw AH posts I thought for a moment that I was in the OT Forum !

Anyway, I do not think that they will have the newest patch on but this is of course pure speculation!

So long...

	29-11-2002 21:57									#22
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I pre-ordered PtW through Gameplay. It arrived this morning by second class post - probably helped by me living in the Leeds postcode area where Gameplay are based.

I installed the game and got as far as the main menu to discover I had version 1.01.

As I write this I am 80% of the way through downloading patch 1.14 (takes me about 30 minutes on a 56k modem)



EDIT: Don't rush to install the 1.14f patch. When I did it stopped recognising the CD was in the drive and I could not run the game so I am back with the original 1.01 installation that came on the CD.

Didn't Firaxis learn anything from the saga of patching the original game?

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	30-11-2002 01:56									#23
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hehe.... so im not the only one :-)
german ptw...=104... english installation: does not work with 1.14...

the reason i think:
they changed from securom to safedisc copy protection... and did not think about the patches...
if you install the us-patches on the eu-version, it wont recognize the cd as the copy protection is overwritten by the patch :-)

i also posted this at the "bugreport" thread

	30-11-2002 16:24									#24
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Oddly enough, in spite of PTW being delayed in Australia until January 2003, it has just turned up in GP Store in New Zealand though we don't usually get it until after them and I can't prove this as they haven't updated their site yet but I'd emailed them about the release date delay situation and they emailed back telling me they were looking at the box and did I want a copy so what gives? More liberal laws in New Zealand?

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quote: Originally posted by CerberusIV I pre-ordered PtW through Gameplay. It arrived this morning by second class post - probably helped by me living in the Leeds postcode area where Gameplay are based. I installed the game and got as far as the main menu to discover I had version 1.01. As I write this I am 80% of the way through downloading patch 1.14 (takes me about 30 minutes on a 56k modem) EDIT: Don't rush to install the 1.14f patch. When I did it stopped recognising the CD was in the drive and I could not run the game so I am back with the original 1.01 installation that came on the CD. Didn't Firaxis learn anything from the saga of patching the original game?

Is this true? Seriously, the s**t they pull is not acceptable. Looks like I will give this one a miss, there are far better things that I can spend my money on...