27-11-2002 18:56									#1
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OK, I'll admit I was tired when this happened and I didn't document things very well, but I do have turnsaves available. Here's what happened...

I was playing my standard deity-raging-medium game, going to AC. Played as an isolationist democracy (well, isolation except for trade of course). Got my techs through Laser, then converted to Happy Soft Fundy for cashflow as I built freights for SS parts.

Of course, by the time I launched, all civs were at war with me. But I decided to just play defense and returned to Happy Democracy for WLTPD in the final years. That's when it got weird.

In many cities, improvements were no longer there, especially happy stuff like temples. I though maybe I was just confused and had never bought them (but I always buy Temples!). I also noticed a couple of Size 10 cities with no Acqueducts. Hmm, I thought.

Then, when I went to the build list, the missing city improvements were not listed.
Improvements not in city (+)
Improvements not avaialable to build.

HOW COULD THIS BE?

Totally weirded me out. Is this something that's totally normal that I just never experienced (or never noticed) before? (I fully admit this as a viable possible explanation.)

BTW, this is MGE for Mac, up-to-date patches, no rules mods.

I humbly seek the enlightenment of the forum.

	28-11-2002 04:05									#2
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Mac shenanigans or memory monkeyshine? Did the number of improvements change in your trade advisor window?

	28-11-2002 06:13									#3
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Stray -- Thanx for posting. You lead me believe this is definitely weird and not a known effect. somehow, that's comforting.

I'm gonna look at the saves over the weekend. All I know is, when I went from Fundy (soft) to Demo, it was all weird.

I also want to check to see if I lost only the listing n the city box, or if I also lost the effect. I think the fact that the items were unavailable to re-acquire may mean that I lost no functionality, only the listing.

I should have saves from each year...

	28-11-2002 17:05									#4
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I'm with Stray - looks like a glitch...

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	29-11-2002 04:03									#5
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Many wierd things in civ happen, but I have never seen this.

	29-11-2002 07:33									#6
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OK, I think I've determined it's just a glitch, and almost certainly just display-related.

Loaded 1899 (Fundy) and listed improvements in the first 8 cities as a sample. Notable were:
Aystings -- bank
Cherbourg -- Harbour
Chartres -- Courthouse, Aqueduct, Bank factory
Dijon -- aqueduct, mass Transit, Factory, Harbour, Offshore, Sewage

Yet in 1894-1898, these cities had the same improvements as above, plus...
Aystings -- Temple, Marketplace, Library, City Walls
Cherbourg -- Granary, Temple, marketplace, aqueduct
Chartres -- Granary, Temple, Marketplace, library
Dijon -- Temple, marketplace, library, Courthouse...

Added evidence -- no difference in happiness levels despite missing temple and Marketplace in many cities.

Final evidence -- I loaded 1897 and played a turn. 1898 was a normal continuation, with the same happiness levels as in the freak-out version.

So i guess I just spent an eventing in Bizarro Civ World. No harm, no foul.

Just very weird...

	29-11-2002 12:06									#7
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Was it after a friday night session at Mings?

	29-11-2002 12:54									#8
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I ran into vanishing SDI defenses a loooong time ago. I'd be attacked one turn and the nuke was defeated. Next turn came around and my city would get hit again - this time with no SDI. Not pleasant.
It happened with at least 3 different cities - not all in the same turn so it wasn't just a one-offer.

Probably pre-CiC though...

	29-11-2002 15:01									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Hydey Was it after a friday night session at Mings?

Lol, he didn't tell us, but some of this items in his house also disappeared that night, and reappeared in strange places.

	29-11-2002 18:03									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Hydey Was it after a friday night session at Mings?

As always Hydey knows the answer.

	29-11-2002 19:27									#11
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It's real easy to not remember things after some of our Friday "gaming" sessions

keep on civin'... and drinkin'... and civin'... and drinkin'

	30-11-2002 00:09									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Ming keep on civin'... and drinkin'... and civin'... and drinkin'

Ming ... are you sure you don't come from Liverpool?

That kind of talk sounds like a DL for the Gits

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	02-12-2002 19:16									#13
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"Bizarro Civ World" = Friday at Ming's? @ Hydey. Good one!

Hmm. I wonder which universe has Ming's residence in Liverpool?
If Gits drank beer instead of wine, it would be a perfect match. Although personally, I'm flexible on this issue...

	03-12-2002 09:19									#14
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yes, the online drinkin and civin is contagious, i see helicopters some nights

chalk it up to him being a retard and selling the buildings to buy more beer

just kidding -Jrabbit

	04-12-2002 15:23									#15
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Ming is really our DL

I like it!

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	11-12-2002 11:39									#16
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When do I get them all?

Attachment: alpinebliss.png
This has been downloaded 39 time(s).

	14-12-2002 00:04									#17
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Yes I remember some civ wierdness -- had the famous 255 in production once or twice. The sad news is that that computer was not long for the world...

I'd take your civ wierdness as a similar clue -- and since it is the holiday season....