28-11-2002 22:23									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Trajanus (tolkien and gandalf rule sci-fi big time)

good to see we agree on something.

	28-11-2002 22:47									#32
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Sava, it's mainly aimed at the kids who read the books. those aged 8-14. if older people enjoy it, great. if not, move on to a more mature movie genre.

	29-11-2002 00:17									#33
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I like Disney movies though... like Monsters, Inc... Atlantis... Ice Age... Treasure Planet... Dinosaur... A Bug's Life... Antz... the list goes on...

	29-11-2002 00:22									#34
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:_puke:

	29-11-2002 01:54									#35
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It's Sava we are talking about, we can't expect him to know good works .

The Harry Potter series is some of the best writing of any book in years.

As for Harry having no confidence, being an orphan and living with the Dursley's for 11 years being put down and just realizing that you were the only one spared from Voldemort's wrath would make me a little less confident.

Sorry, I didn't know you were Neitschze's poster child.

	29-11-2002 01:58									#36
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quote: And I really do not get DM and Floyd thinking I look like the quiddich captain

Eh?

Anyway, I saw it, and all I'll say is that Lord of the Rings kicks the **** out of Harry Potter.

	29-11-2002 02:09									#37
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LOTR the trilogy kicks Harry Potter series ass, but the movie was a pleasant suprise. First one was a huge load of horsesh*t. I like the books, not because they're well written, but they gave me a nostalgic feeling, sort of like Tolkien and the Hardy Boys rolled into one. Plus I read them with my girlfriend which might have added to the whole experience. Sounds corny but don't knock it til you try it.

	29-11-2002 02:12									#38
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quote: LOTR the trilogy kicks Harry Potter series ass, but the movie was a pleasant suprise.

Movies, yes... LOTR is better. One of the reasons is the attempt to get everythingof the books into a 3 hour movie.

If we are comparing books, I'll seriously have to say Harry Potter is much better than LOTR trilogy, which frankly is overrated.

	29-11-2002 02:15									#39
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Well, duh.

The Harry Potter series are good books, but Lord of the Rings is an absolute masterpiece. Heck, it pretty much created a new genre.

The Lord of the Rings movies are made with an incredible perfection. They have to be, or the director would be skinned alive by fans of the books. (OK, maybe not, but you know what I mean.) So of course the LOTR movies will be superior to the Harry Potter movies.

I still think the Harry Potter movies are rather good, though.

EDIT: Crosspost with Imran. I was talking to gsmoove and DF.

	29-11-2002 02:40									#40
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Whoops, actually I hated the LOTR movie, but it was no worse then the first Harry Potter movie IMO. I'm hoping the next LOTR movie will correct its previous mistakes as well as Chamber of Secrets did. As far as movies go I preferred the LOTR animation from a long time ago. Did a much better job of conveying the feeling for me.

Ack, I could understand believing Tolkien is over-rated but Harry Potter books better then LOTR books? Wow.

	29-11-2002 02:46									#41
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The one by Ralph Bakshi? Last I heard, it was complete crap. I haven't seen it, though, so I can't know for sure.

But isn't it just a little annoying that only half the book was actually made into a movie?

	29-11-2002 02:51									#42
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quote: Ack, I could understand believing Tolkien is over-rated but Harry Potter books better then LOTR books? Wow.

Yep... LOTR was pretty good, but didn't do it for me as for others. I considered Fellowship absolutely boring, Two Towers pretty good and Return of the King very cool. I absolutely LOVE the Harry Potter books and I feel a greater connection to the characters than any other series I've ever read.

If the entire LOTR trilogy was as good as Return of the King, I may have said LOTR was better than Potter, but I doubt it .

	29-11-2002 03:06									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Vanguard Peter O'toole sounds right for Dumbledore.

Although being dead could be a problem....

	29-11-2002 03:09									#44
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In that case why not just use Richard Harris again .

	29-11-2002 03:10									#45
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quote: Although being dead could be a problem....

That didn't stop Oliver Reed in Gladiator.

	30-11-2002 20:47									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Zero-Tau The one by Ralph Bakshi? Last I heard, it was complete crap. I haven't seen it, though, so I can't know for sure. But isn't it just a little annoying that only half the book was actually made into a movie?

It was annoying that I couldn't see the whole trilogy but I loved the style of animation. Haven't seen it for awhile so I'm not sure but I remember loving it. The new one was so over dramatic it was ridiculous.

	30-11-2002 21:37									#47
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quote: Peter O'toole sounds right for Dumbledore. Although being dead could be a problem....

Yes, being dead would be a problem. If he was. But he isn't. Rumors of his death were slightly exagerated.

	01-12-2002 01:53									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui I did love the Hermione as catwoman scene .

That must sound perverted to someone who hasn't read the books or seen the movie.

I'll agree with Guynemer that this was much better than the first one, even though the second book was the worst.


However, I have two rants! (Spoilers coming)

The snake is too goddamn fat and slow and stupid! It's length was good, but it was too fat! Snakes are supposed to be sly and slithery and thin and quick, not fat oversized worms!

Other rant - I didn't like the end of the chamber scene. In the book, the sequence of events goes:

Harry gets bitten
Harry kills snake
Harry is dying, Tom gloats
Fawkes crys, Harry heals
Harry kills Tom by destroying the book

In the movie Harry gets healed after he kills Tom, which is much less dramatic.

	01-12-2002 02:29									#49
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without LOTR there would be no potter or fantasy books...

thats like saying that any hard rock band is better led zeppelin when every single hard rock band was sprung from them...

	01-12-2002 02:34									#50
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Well, I don't particularily like Led Zeppelin.

	01-12-2002 02:40									#51
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but they are the best hard rock band ever...
and i dont ever use absolutes!

	01-12-2002 02:54									#52
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"Kashmir" is excellent, rest is a bit... meh.

	01-12-2002 03:00									#53
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quote: without LOTR there would be no potter or fantasy books...

So? And without James Fenimore Cooper there would be no Westerns. Doesn't mean Cooper's works sucked.

Do you think that Jaws is the best blockbuster movie ever, because every blockbuster movie sprung from Jaws?

That's just silly!

	01-12-2002 03:07									#54
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its silly and true!

	01-12-2002 03:11									#55
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No, it's silly and false .

	01-12-2002 03:15									#56
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"Better" is purely a matter of taste. I like them both. However if it wasn't for the movies, I would never have picked up the books.

	01-12-2002 03:19									#57
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yeah it is...

but i on what laurels can we judge anything anymore?

gross ticket sales doesnt really mean jack considering it costs 9.25 to see a goddamn movie nowadays...
and considering harry potter is specifically marketed to young children who have read the books and believe its the greatest thing since amsterdam its like shooting fish in a barrell. im not impressed with harry-mania especially among people who are old enough to have children...

	01-12-2002 03:21									#58
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quote: Originally posted by MRT144 but i on what laurels can we judge anything anymore?

Your taste.

	01-12-2002 03:21									#59
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Books are always better than the movies...

Well except for Fellowship of the Ring, the movie was better than that book . Though I think the next two LOTR movies won't be as good as the book. I'm looking forward, though, to (SPOILERS) when Sam thinks Frodo is dead and takes up the ring.

	01-12-2002 03:25									#60
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui (SPOILERS) when Sam thinks Frodo is dead and takes up the ring.

Bastard! I'm still working my way through the Fellowship.