01-12-2002 03:26									#61
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your taste!?!?!? thats terrible! people can be into the worst **** ever like Rush, and fecal porn and somehow its justifiable!?!?!? thats crazy! i dont believe it!

honestly though imran i still cant believe anyone thinks potter is better than LOTR, there is such a more intricate storyline, better characters...its just mentally disturbing to think someone likes potter more than LOTR...

i can only assume you hold this belief to further your image as a normal american when youre really working osama right under our noses. SLEEPER AGENT! SWARM SWARM!

	01-12-2002 03:29									#62
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quote: honestly though imran i still cant believe anyone thinks potter is better than LOTR, there is such a more intricate storyline, better characters...its just mentally disturbing to think someone likes potter more than LOTR...

It is... LOTR is too long winded and obviously Tolkien thought too much of himself.

I think that Harry Potter is much more interesting and IT has the better characters, not LOTR. LOTR has very static characters. Where is the 3rd dimension to Aragorn? Legolas? Tolkien did do Frodo, Sam, Gimli, and Gandalf well, but there are some cookie cutter characters in there.

	01-12-2002 03:35									#63
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imran just because you prefer your books written for children and therefore easier to comprehend in less amount of time doesnt mean that they are better...

i will always find the world tolkien wrote about and the people in infinitely more interesting than the christ child potter.

	01-12-2002 03:40									#64
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Didn't know you were such an elitist. Harry Potter is a wonderful series, full of great characterization and great stories.

LOTR is and always has been overrated. I like Potter better.

Why don't you try reading Goblet of Fire and tell me if it reads like a 'children's book'. How many children's books have death and evil as the ending?

	01-12-2002 03:40									#65
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quote: people can be into the worst **** ever like Rush

Well, Rush is certainly better than Zep.

	01-12-2002 03:41									#66
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http://travel.guardian.co.uk/galler...4317647,00.html! take that poofter!

oh my god, you have to be kidding me...rush better than zeppelin!?!?!? rush had great musicians but that singer was terrible...terrible!!! you cant listen to that without your **** getting hugified by men...

and i dont even think gay people like Rush...at least i hope they dont, that would set bad precident...

	01-12-2002 03:42									#67
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Tolkien thought too much of himself.

- "Being a cult figure in one's own lifetime I am afraid is not at all pleasant" - Tolkien

Personally he definately could have cut the parts with Bombadil though. God, what an uterly annoying character!

	01-12-2002 03:55									#68
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DD, do you think MRT doesn't understand the concept of opinion too well?

	01-12-2002 03:58									#69
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Looks like it.

	01-12-2002 04:02									#70
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shhhhhhhhhhh!

no, i understand the concept of opinion, i just like prodding the old folks on the board about their love with children books...

if you like potter so be it, it doesnt matter really.

	01-12-2002 04:05									#71
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Plenty of people older than me like the Wizard of Oz .

	01-12-2002 04:06									#72
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Flying monkeys, best villians ever

	01-12-2002 04:10									#73
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quote: Originally posted by MRT144 no, i understand the concept of opinion, i just like prodding the old folks on the board about their love with children books...

You must find the fact that C.S. Lewis is so popular disgusting.

	01-12-2002 04:15									#74
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i do indeed...

	01-12-2002 04:16									#76
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i just dont like mania among adults for childish things

	01-12-2002 04:21									#77
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And who are you to decide what is childish or not?

Who are you to decide that adults should not like child things?

Bah!

	01-12-2002 04:26									#78
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because i am the final arbiter of what is right and wrong...jesus, didnt you get the memo?

i just think adults should use their vastly superior intellect and higher standards to appreciate adult things. why drink grape juice when you can wine? why read a childs book when you could read one made for adults?

speaking of which im gonna join a baseball team for 10 year olds because no one should tell me i shouldnt like childish things

	01-12-2002 04:31									#79
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quote: i just think adults should use their vastly superior intellect and higher standards to appreciate adult things. why drink grape juice when you can wine? why read a childs book when you could read one made for adults?

Because the child's book may be better than the adult book? It might have a better story, better characterization? Adults are using their superior intellect and higher standards and are picking the children's books for their superior writing.

Grape juice is sometimes better than wine. (Personally, a good grape juice is much better than wine ).

	01-12-2002 04:46									#80
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rowling uses cliches and similar plot devices through all the books...and harry is a little poofter brat

	01-12-2002 04:47									#81
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I liked LOTR. I tried to read one of the Potter books - I think it was the second - but lost interest. So I can't say whether I got hold of a bad one, but personally, if the others are like it, there's no comparison.

To me, LOTR has so many levels - the genealogies, the elvish poetry, the developed, varied cultures - that it's a much more impressive work, IMO. Consider the era when Tolkein wrote the books - diversity in culture was much less accepted, fantasy literature wasn't a genre at all. In that sense, LOTR was groundbreaking, IMO. Besides enjoying the story itself, I enjoyed the breadth of the story, and the attention to detail.

I read the Hobbit, and that is a book that was more intended for children, IIRC. It didn't appeal to me as much, because it seemed a very 'bare bones', simple story. I guess I like detail - to me, that's art.

	01-12-2002 04:56									#82
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quote: rowling uses cliches and similar plot devices through all the books...and harry is a little poofter brat

Just because you do not like Potter doesn't mean that all adults don't like it .

Just because you have no taste, doesn't mean we all have to suffer .

	01-12-2002 05:08									#83
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quote: Originally posted by MRT144 rowling uses ... similar plot devices through all the books

and Tolkien doesn't?

Got a character in a tricky situation? Can't think how to get him out of it? Is it almost lunchtime and you've just GOT to finish this chapter before you eat?
*fanfare please*
Call the Eagles! They can arbitrarily rescue any character from any awkward situation you seem to have placed them in! WoooHooo!
You can't use them all the time, of course, that would be silly, just when you can't be bothered to think of anything else....

	01-12-2002 08:21									#84
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"How many children's books have death and evil as the ending?"
For that, I reccomend any book by John Bellairs.

	01-12-2002 08:30									#85
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1. LOTR is boring. Sure, it invented fantasy, but there are a number of books that are much better; for instance, the Song of Ice and Fire series.

2. Harry Potter is like anything by Turtledove. It's amusing, but it isn't anything special; no deep meanings, no great literature. It's crap, but it's amusing crap (though, I've only read 30 or so pages from a single book). Really, they're ideal pre-teen books.

3. Zep is God. Any other opinion is blasphemy.

	01-12-2002 08:34									#86
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quote: 2. Harry Potter is like anything by Turtledove. It's amusing, but it isn't anything special; no deep meanings, no great literature. It's crap, but it's amusing crap (though, I've only read 30 or so pages from a single book). Really, they're ideal pre-teen books.

My suggestion: Read more than 30 pages .

It may not have deep meanings (well maybe other than be tolerant) or great literature, but many, many books don't fit that. You are going to have a Hell of a lot of books labeled crap then. Every Steven King novel, every Tom Clancy book. They may not be great literature or have deeper meanings (and let's be serious, LOTR doesn't have a deeper meaning either), but that doesn't mean they are crap.

	01-12-2002 08:38									#87
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By no deep meanings, I mean that it's rather superficial. Same old boring good vs. evil. Done a million times, particularly in the fantasy genre. Nothing that makes you say, "damn this is cool."

Alright, crap might not be a good description. Maybe trashy.

	01-12-2002 08:39									#88
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@ the idea of comparing Turtledove and Rowling together…
Not making any value judgements here, just saying it's ridiculous to even say them in the same sentence!

	01-12-2002 08:41									#89
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That's the problem with you anarchists, you see the world in black and white.

Good or crap. No middle, and you wonder why people think you guys are nuts .

quote: Nothing that makes you say, "damn this is cool."

:shrug: That's what I thought after reading the first book (frankly it is difficult to put a HP book down after you pick it up). You have the same fantasy crap, but a world filled with wizards in the background and even a boarding school for them. One word: COOL!

	01-12-2002 08:47									#90
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quote: @ the idea of comparing Turtledove and Rowling together… Not making any value judgements here, just saying it's ridiculous to even say them in the same sentence!

I'm totally serious. The only reason I read Turtledove is because the alternate historical genre in general is so bleak, and I love alternate history!

quote: That's the problem with you anarchists, you see the world in black and white. Good or crap. No middle, and you wonder why people think you guys are nuts .

It's not bad, it just isn't all that good. I mean, I'd read it if it fell into my lap and I'm not reading anything interesting at the moment, but I wouldn't go looking for it.

quote: :shrug: That's what I thought after reading the first book (frankly it is difficult to put a HP book down after you pick it up). You have the same fantasy crap, but a world filled with wizards in the background and even a boarding school for them. One word: COOL!

Errr.. right.