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mrmitchell
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That relieves me a little bit. However, if I do get burnt, then will this mob cover the cost of my recovery? And what is to prevent you from slipping the stick too far?
And how would a trial by water go?
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mrmitchell
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So...
You throw me in the water. If I have to swim, then I'm okay and I can go on my duties. Is that right?
And why would you not pay for damages you incurred?
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mrmitchell
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Ask, I believe I have his name correct, Thud Quixote I! (Thud)
He will tell you, if he is a man of science, that possession is not possible!
OOC: This might seem a little ahead of our time, but if you do submit me to these tests and I fail (or pass) then it will scare the populace into saying, and eventually thinking and believing, that possession is a real and close thing. /OOC
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Nuclear Winter
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[ooc]But I think THAT is the idea! Imagine! Scared peasants working to save their souls, always acting strictly in law, fearing evil may struck! [ooc]
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GeneralTacticus
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of Melbourne, Australia
Dec 2001
time: 15:23
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Who has defined these 'signs'? I saw a floating Squid, and I will not say otherwise, for that would be a lie. I am not possessed by evil spirits! The Squid was not evil! |
You claim to have seen spirits. As good spirits do not act through those who are not priests, it could only have been an evil spirits, or a drink-induced hallucination. We are attempting to figure out which one it is.
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Ask, I believe I have his name correct, Thud Quixote I! (Thud)
He will tell you, if he is a man of science, that possession is not possible! |
Science? Science? What has that to do with anything? I know what the spirits have told me, and they are omniscient! Your futile attempts at arguing against these trials only serve to further prove your guilt.
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OOC: This might seem a little ahead of our time, but if you do submit me to these tests and I fail (or pass) then it will scare the populace into saying, and eventually thinking and believing, that possession is a real and close thing. /OOC |
But it is real. I wouldn't be saying it was if it wasn't.
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[ooc]But I think THAT is the idea! Imagine! Scared peasants working to save their souls, always acting strictly in law, fearing evil may struck! [ooc] |
No, the idea is to determine if Spamish Mitchell is in fact possessed. If he is, he must die, to deprive evil of it's agent; if he isn't, then we willl have found that out.
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mrmitchell
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Who defines the rules by which spirits go? Who says they can only act through Priests? Or maybe this proves that I am the real priest, for the Squid spirit was not evil! Even Senor Calamari told me that La Ropa, one of the Squid's suggestions, was a good idea!
I'll say again, who defines the spirits' laws? They are supernatural; they have to follow no rules!!!
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mrmitchell
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How can we be sure, Senor Tacticus, that you are not making up the spirits' rules as you go? The spirits would not reveal their deepest secrets to a mere mortal, and they can, indeed change at any time without notice. And they are supernatural, they need not follow their own nor anyone else's rules.
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However, we can't, nor can anyone else, sell clothing as good as the stuff from La Ropa. |
See? He just said he himself couldn't sell any clothing as good as "the stuff from La Ropa." This says that he thinks the idea of the Floating Squid is a good idea, thus lending me a slight bit of support...
And notice how everyone else is agreeing with you...it's like they are trying to suck up to prevent their own trials, bogus as these trials are, in the future.
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GeneralTacticus
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of Melbourne, Australia
Dec 2001
time: 15:23
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How can we be sure, Senor Tacticus, that you are not making up the spirits' rules as you go? |
How can we be sure, Spamish Mitchell, that anything exists at all? The spirits have told me what I have told you.
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The spirits would not reveal their deepest secrets to a mere mortal, and they can, indeed change at any time without notice. |
And how is it tha you, a mortal who has no knowledge of thes pirits, can make such a claim? I am High Priest, it is my job to know such things, and I can tell you that you are wrong.
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And they are supernatural, they need not follow their own nor anyone else's rules |
They need not follow the rules of others, but they do follow their own, for if they didn't follow them, they would not have those rules at all.
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See? He just said he himself couldn't sell any clothing as good as "the stuff from La Ropa." This says that he thinks the idea of the Floating Squid is a good idea, thus lending me a slight bit of support... |
I'll ask again: what does this matter? The fact that you, a possibly possessed man, make good clothes upon the suggestion of either a delusion or a demon, does nothing to help your case.
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And notice how everyone else is agreeing with you...it's |
Yes, telling, isn't it?
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And notice how everyone else is agreeing with you...it's like they are trying to suck up to prevent their own trials, bogus as these trials are, in the future. |
This trial is hardly 'bogus' - you have admitted to being visited by a spirit, which, as it could not have been a good one, must have been an evil one. We are simply attempting to verify whether it was a spirit or a delusion, but your actions are only lending more weight to my suspicions that you are possessed.
Tell me, if you are innocent, why do you fear this trial so? A small amount of pain and discomfort is a small price to pay for the assurance that you are not possessed, is it not?
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mrmitchell
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I fear it because it is WRONG.
The trial is wrong because it is based purely on intangible evidence-my saying that I have seen a floating Squid, you saying that the spirits have talked to you--there is no way that one can verify the other's claim. If these kind of trials continue, worse accusations will be made, and worse punishments will be dealt, falling down to the punishment of death. Thousands of innocents could be hanged if you do not think:
Trials are based on facts, not conjecture. Conjecture is the forming of judgements based on incomplete data, and the data here is most incorrect if it cannot be proved. Who is not to start faking a spasm, and saying that they see spirits telling them the names of people to burn? Anyone, if these trials are ruled upon on the basis of guesses. However, facts are things that can be proven, and thus can be used as accurate evidence in a trial, evidence that can be used to determine innocence or guilt. (Not that seeing evil spirits was ever declared a crime anyways.)
If you say that seeing evil spirits is a crime, then I ask of you: Is not religious freedom one of the spirit-given rights to the people? These rights that seperate us from the animals? And does not religious freedom include my right to see whatever spirit that is there? These philosophies of rights may seem absurd, my friend, but they are wise and true: they can be suppressed no longer.
Spamish Mitchell
For the current moment, Philosopher
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GeneralTacticus
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of Melbourne, Australia
Dec 2001
time: 15:23
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my saying that I have seen a floating Squid, |
So, do you wish to withdraw your confession of having seen a floating squid? Or your claim that it was a spirit?
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So it is your intent to question my authority, now is it? You do realize that in so doing you are also questioning the authority of our Great Despot Togas, who in his wisdom, appointed me High Priest?
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If these kind of trials continue, worse accusations will be made, and worse punishments will be dealt, falling down to the punishment of death. |
What do you mean, these kind of trials? The purpose of them is to determine if there is any supernatural influence acting upon you. No-one could naturally float without swimming in water, or ot be burned by fire, so something supernatural must be going on if that happens.
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Trials are based on facts, not conjecture. |
And so is this one. You are disputing the initiation a trial, which is a different matter entirely. The purpose of a trial is to determine guilt or innocence, which is what we intend to do here.
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Who is not to start faking a spasm, and saying that they see spirits telling them the names of people to burn? |
No-one, because I am the only one who can speak to spirits, and I would not lie.
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However, facts are things that can be proven, and thus can be used as accurate evidence in a trial, evidence that can be used to determine innocence or guilt. |
Yes, indeed, such as obvious supernatural influences.
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(Not that seeing evil spirits was ever declared a crime anyways.)[/qupte]
No, it's not a crime, but being possessed is. Seeing evil spirits is only a small step from possession.
[quote]If you say that seeing evil spirits is a crime, then I ask of you: Is not religious freedom one of the spirit-given rights to the people? |
No. No-one has the right to believe in false or evil religions.
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These rights that seperate us from the animals? |
We are seperated from animals by our souls, not our rights.
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And does not religious freedom include my right to see whatever spirit that is there? |
See above.
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These philosophies of rights may seem absurd, my friend, but they are wise and true: they can be suppressed no longer.
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These 'philosophies of rights' are false and are merely a cover employed by those who wish to avoid paying proper respect to the spirits and to their leaders, nothing more.
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mrmitchell
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[OOC]Ooh, you'd so be thrown out of a Californian court...  [/OOC]
Okay, bring on the tests, as long as the stubborn ways of the government will not change, I'd might as well have them gotten over with. Consider me defeated. (For now.)
Before they begin however, wouldn't it be a shame if the High Priest had said it was a possibility I was possessed and then it turn out I am not possessed? He says my speech has been lending more to the possibility, so now he's probably pretty sure I am possessed. Let the trials commence, and the system of law prevail over mere guesswork!
EDIT: And let the system of science, no matter how much a crackpot theory of science that this is, prevail over mere guesswork.
And do not forget, soon or ever, that the people shall not be oppressed forever. They will prevail, wether today or in 6000 years.
Lastly, I do not doubt our Great Leader Togas's wisdom on the matter of picking you as High Priest; I know that he knows that you won't be so blindly fundamentalist in the future. Has it ever occured to you that everybody makes mistakes, and maybe you're making one right now with your interpretation of the spirits' talk, if they talk to you? Yes, everybody, even our Great Leader Togas, will make a mistake sooner or later--however, I hope for the good of Spain that Togas's mistake is that of no importance, like what robe to wear or something. Some people make big mistakes, some people make little mistakes, no one makes no mistakes.
Just some thoughts to ponder.
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GeneralTacticus
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of Melbourne, Australia
Dec 2001
time: 15:23
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Ah, I'm glad that we've finally gotten the arguing stage over. The tests will take place at sunset, and the results will be delivered at dawn tommorow. I expect, though, that the tests will prove you innocent, as there would be little point for a possessed one in submitting to the tests if they would just find you guilty anyway.
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Blindly fundamentalist!? I'm doing my duty in listening to and executing the will of the spirits, nothing more.
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Has it ever occured to you that everybody makes mistakes, and maybe you're making one right now with your interpretation of the spirits' talk, if they talk to you? |
Please explain how I may be 'misinterpreting' the words of the spirits? They don't actually speak in words, they speak in concepts, and such concepts leave no room for error.
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I know quite well that my arguments wouldn't stand up in a court of law, but we don't have courts of law, so that doesn't matter. This is the Role-Play Team, remember?
btw, why the California reference?
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mrmitchell
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Hurl me in?
I'd expect more that I just swim in. Then again, knowing what has been said, I'd expect more that I be loaded down with lead weights before I go in. However, okay, let's do this.
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mrmitchell
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Wait...
Tonight is a cold night...
What if I catch a cold or worse from the coldness of the water?
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GeneralTacticus
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of Melbourne, Australia
Dec 2001
time: 15:23
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What if I catch a cold or worse from the coldness of the water? |
You'll only be in for a few minutes.
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No, no. Lead weights would corrupt the trial. However, if you swam in, there would be no of tellingif you were actually being demonically aided. Now, down to the river.
* Francisco Tacticus says a few prayers to the spirits.
* Two big guards lift Spamish Mitchell by the feet and shoulders and hurl him in.
* Spamish Mitchell briefly goes under before surfacing, coughing and spluttering, clearly unable to float without swimming.
Okay, it seems you passed the first test, much as I expected. Now, let's move on to the trial by fire.
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mrmitchell
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Well, that was...er. Refreshing. (Not that I'd like any more of it.)
Can I first towel off before having the trial by fire?
That reminds me!
STOP THE TRIALS!
Since I am still wet from the water test, I won't as easily burn, and then you will declare that I need to be set on fire!!! Let me towel off!
*If you do not follow this logic, try to set a wet stick on fire. See my point?
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GeneralTacticus
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of Melbourne, Australia
Dec 2001
time: 15:23
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Right, you've had more than enough time to dry yourself off, time for the final test.
* Francisco Tacticus picks up a long stick, holds it in the centre of the fire until the end catches fire, then presses it against Spamish Mitchell's arm while two more guards hold him still. He screams and thrashes, and the stick is removed.
Very well, you've passed the other test, too. It would seem that your vision of a squid was merely a delusion. We'll bring you something for the burn, and I apologise that it was necessary to inflict pain, but it had to be done.
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