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E_T
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Orlando, Florida
Mar 2001
time: 00:24
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Because of the War and other things that needed to be discussed, we had stopped for those reasons, which we only made the trade for Steam Power. Germany had gotten it and Whored it around just before we did, decreasing it's value. We were lucky to have had 3 Luxes that were available to use in the trade with Greece.
The Final Greek trade was: them Steam Power; 5LPT & WM for our Sanitation; Incense; Dyes & Spices. W should have gotten more out of them, but they were too broke.
This will give us the ability to build the Railroads, which I can have 1 full lenght of track stretching from Opiadom to Willsbury in just the one turn.
There are still trades to make for this turn. THese will be up to FAM Arnelos to complete. We do know that we can get Communisum from India for just Sanitation, WM & 28 Lytons. We can also sell somebody (I can't remember who) some coal for about 26 LPT.
So there is still more money to be made and some tech to trade. If the FAM makes the trade, we will once again be at technological parity with the other Civs. And this time, we have a much better techological research base than we did just before we had gotten Democracy, while still in the MA. We have come a long way and will soon pass them up.
E_T
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canyontree
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Personally I'm tired of seeing Germany beating us to techs all the time. To war!!
SMC Thud, any estimates on how long before we declare war against Germany? |
Don't hold your breath. There appears to be a conspiracy between our peacenick SMC and our FM to make it extremely difficult for us to attack Germany.
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E_T
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Orlando, Florida
Mar 2001
time: 00:24
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Originally posted by Shiber
Personally I'm tired of seeing Germany beating us to techs all the time. To war!!
SMC Thud, any estimates on how long before we declare war against Germany? |
We should be able to beat them to Industrialization. We are both in the starting gate, but We've added a few more Research & Monitary Improvements sence we started on Sanitation. Also, Germany had a one turn head start on us with Sanitation and we both tied, so we are doing it right.
We can get Industrialization in 6 turns if we take a breif income hit of -34 LPT (7 turns @ +68LPT). THis is BEFORE any further tech & other trades. We have 375 in our coffers and we'll get money from the Zulu in 4 turns when we go for peace.
We will also have 1 Bank in 2 turns (which will also allow us to start on building Wall Street); 2 Universities in 1 turn and 1 more in 3 turns (we also had one come online just this turn); 1 Library in 4 turns. We will have 1 city that will grow beyond size 6 next turn, with 1 more in 3 turns and 2 more after that in 4 turns. We should have NO problem tweeking down the slider in a couple of turns time, if we go at this rate. We should beat Otto to Industrialisation and be able to sell it at our leasure.
As for Otto, we didn't renew the Spice deal with him last turn, as it would have been Revenue Neutral if we had, we let it ride. So we are currently 16 turns away from the possible D-day when we have to renew the Peace Treaty with Otto. We have one more Renegote in 11 turns (for Incense & Dyes) that we can let ride, too.
I'm making my plans based on 16 turns.
E_T
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adaMada
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"The Iron" Stadium, Ubergorsk, Apolytonia (C3DG)
Mar 2000
time: 00:24
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Originally posted by canyontree
Don't hold your breath. There appears to be a conspiracy between our peacenick SMC and our FM to make it extremely difficult for us to attack Germany. |
Arnelos is not here to defend himself, but I will say that I strongly disagree with the notion he is in 'conspiracy' with Thud over the issue.
He clearly has stated, several times now, that he is renewing deals with Germany because he is told that the war is more than twenty days away. In fact, to quote from a post on the issue in the orders thread (addressed to E_T), he says:
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Originally posted by Arnelos
E_T,
Neither the SMC nor the President has given me a solid idea on the TIMING for any war with Germany. Whenever I ask, I'm told that war is safely more than 20 turns away, so I keep signing agreements with Germany. Once we (1) a solid war plan, (2) a solid complete construction timeline to meet the needs of that warplan, and the SMC can give me a DATE for the war to start, then I (in conjunction with any interested members of the Senate) can consider whether it is wise to continue making agreements with Germany.
Considering that you, as Domestic Minister, have been doing a very good job of attempting to accomodate what war planning that has been taking place (primarily in the Senate), the problem right now is the absense of the SMC and an official war plan with a timeline that the FAM can use to do the proper geopolitical manuevering.
Thus, I recommend that we hold some form of Cabinet Meeting (via mIRC chat?) to discuss the issue of war plans and timing for the war (should the Senate approve of eventually going to war...). Obviously, we'll need to make sure our SMC (who seems to have already left for his family vacation - I leave tomorrow) shows up  |
Once Arnelos is back, I'm sure he can defend himself far better than I can, but I wanted to go ahead and point out that he has clearly stated that he is not trying to stop a war on Germany -- he's just waiting to be told when it is time to execute the war.
-- adaMada
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We may not be able to extract much, but accepting small tribute now is worth it to be able to focus on Germany.
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