28-11-2002 05:10									#1
	Firaxis, please give me back high scores (HoF)! Put an end to popups!

please, firaxis, i dont know if its a bug or feature but i want to play modded games to my liking and not be penalized by being unable to record my high scores in hall of fame. if you want to force us to play default rules, then why even give us an editor? please, this is important to me for i dont want to waste time playing and not have my scores logged because i would then forget how well i did in my games! why are u punishing people who like to modify things with an editor so they can play the game the way they want to?

Last edited by Minmaster on 30-11-2002 at 19:11

	28-11-2002 06:18									#2
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I have to agree. I just finished my first PTW game and was very disappointed to NOT SEE my score posted. Now Minmaster is saying it has to do with modding. Not sure if that is the reason, but WHATEVER the reason is, it should be changed, and all finished games should have a shot at the Hall of Fame.

	28-11-2002 07:13									#3
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Any mod that uses custom rules or player data will not be entered in the HOF. I'd like it to be entered with the name of the mod (maybe sorted by mod name then score) in the entry.

	28-11-2002 07:36									#4
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I agree with Warpstorm, I really can think of no good reason not to allow modded games to be recorded.

	28-11-2002 07:49									#5
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quote: Originally posted by monkspider I agree with Warpstorm, I really can think of no good reason not to allow modded games to be recorded.

Besides the obvious cheat unit with a/d/m shot up to enormous values.
But, that's why they would have the name of the mod with it

	28-11-2002 08:02									#6
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quote: Originally posted by WarpStorm Any mod that uses custom rules or player data will not be entered in the HOF. I'd like it to be entered with the name of the mod (maybe sorted by mod name then score) in the entry.

Do you think you can convince someone at Firaxis??? It seems I can't, like others like me having reported it. I think they should rework the HoF, and your idea about sorted by mod, sorted by custom rules, is good.

Falconius, you're not the only one: I've spent 43 hours for my first PtW game ( huge map, altered rules ) and not listed in the HoF. At least, they should have mentioned about this in the manual. They didn't and it's a lack of professionalism.

	28-11-2002 09:02									#7
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so do you guys know whether this is a bug or intentionally put in?

	28-11-2002 11:43									#8
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I don't have PtW yet so maybe I'm talking nonsense, but:

When you edit your civ3.bix directly instead of using a scenario, it shouldn't notice that it's a modification.

Or aren't you allowed to change the civ3.bix anymore?

	28-11-2002 12:02									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Todd Hawks I don't have PtW yet so maybe I'm talking nonsense, but: When you edit your civ3.bix directly instead of using a scenario, it shouldn't notice that it's a modification. Or aren't you allowed to change the civ3.bix anymore?

doesnt matter...editing civ3.bix will still disable logging of scores

	28-11-2002 12:30									#10
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I had this issue with the first few games I played. I did not see new scores. I delete the HOF and replayed the two games I had and they recorded. It turns out that I downloaded a save game in between the first game of mine and the next one, that stopped the HOF. I would like them to do some thing about that and at the same time made the HOF have more info displayed. Add some additional data and flag the non std games. Give us a tool to look at the HOF or make it a straight RTF file, so I can use wordpad. This would let me see what has been done with out loading Civ.

	28-11-2002 14:42									#11
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I've never really cared for HIgh Scores! What's the point anyway !

So long...

	28-11-2002 16:32									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Switch Besides the obvious cheat unit with a/d/m shot up to enormous values.

Switch, who cares if someone cheat his/her game in single player to gain more points? AFAIK you can't play MP if every player haven't the same game value, anyway, so you can't cheat in MP, too.

If the highest value can give me a great prize I'd like to have a strong method to secure the result, but as is it's unnecessary.

I suppose that Firaxis can't store different ranks for every mod we use, because of data structure they use to record the points earned.

	28-11-2002 18:01									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Minmaster so do you guys know whether this is a bug or intentionally put in?

It was intentionally put in.

	28-11-2002 19:27									#14
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It would be best to have seperate HoF for different MODs.

	28-11-2002 20:35									#15
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I agree, that would you would be comparing apples to apples and not apples to oranges. A high score for one mod is meaningless when compared to a different mod.

	28-11-2002 22:36									#16
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quote: Originally posted by vmxa1 Give us a tool to look at the HOF or make it a straight RTF file, so I can use wordpad. This would let me see what has been done with out loading Civ.

You can edit the HighScores.cv3 file in WordPad (or any text editor). If you know the numerical codes, you can add the modded games manually.

Each line contains the following information: Name, Civilization number, Score, Difficulty, Victory type, and Won/Lost.

The Civilization number follows the order in the Editor (at least it did for the original civs), as follows:

1 Rome
2 Egypt
3 Greece
4 Babylon
5 Germany
6 Russia
7 China
8 America
9 Japan
10 France
11 India
12 Persia
13 Aztec
14 KwaZulu*
15 Iroquois
16 England

17 Mongols
18 España*
19 Scandia*
20 Ottomans
21 Celt
22 Arabia
23 Carthage
24 Korea

*My personal mod uses these names. I use "Scandia," because "Scandinavia" is too long to fit into one of the reports and gets truncated.

Difficulty level 1 corresponds to Deity, 2 to Emperor, etc.

Victory types

0 Domination
1 Military
2 Cultural
3 Diplomatic
4 Space Race
5 Retired
6 Rank

I don't know if there are new codes for new PTW victory types.

For a while I was maintaining a parallel .rtf file so I could add other factors (date, map specs, number of players, culture points, and with the advent of PTW, elapsed time), but I've just decided that an .xls works better.

Anyway, add my voice to those requesting a more elaborate HoF, but if nothing else, Firaxis, please list modded games with an asterisk.

Edited to incorporate victory codes supplied by Mkinser.

	29-11-2002 09:45									#17
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well i think asking for more detailed HoF is currently too much to ask for, but all i want is for my scores to be logged no matter what rules i play. i mean its not like i make money by playing civ and the only one who sees the score is probably only me. i play no tourneys so its not like im gonna cheat the world showing off my high scores! this is very frustrating!

	29-11-2002 12:20									#18
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At the very least, HoF with an asterisk (*) to indicated a modded ruleset. I don't play plain vanilla rules at all anymore (SP only).

To have an Editor, but not include HoF entries if the Editor has been used seems a little inconsistent, doesn't it.

	29-11-2002 13:23									#19
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I heartily agree. I want the HoF notating my games as well. If there were one feature I'd like this is it.

	30-11-2002 00:59									#20
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quote: Originally posted by The Pioneer I've never really cared for HIgh Scores! What's the point anyway ! So long...

Well I could say it is a game and does not need a point, it is called fun.
Really though the point could be that after playing a ton of games, you may find it a point of motivation to try to up your score. Since they are only for your benefit, they could be anything.

	30-11-2002 01:55									#21
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As it stands now, I suppose I will try to keep a Notepad record. Including dates played, all that other HoF info, mod title, etc.

Maybe this will help me get into the habit of annotating my game's history.
More Work! Less Play!

	30-11-2002 12:40									#22
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Yes the non recording in Hof SUCKS!!!! What they hell else do I play this game for? To have fun and have a record of my best games. Who cares for single player if I cheat out my ass or make it fair to all.

I WANT MY
I WANT MY
I WANT MY HOF!!!

	30-11-2002 18:47									#23
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Firaxis, Firaxis... You have something that belongs to us... our scores. Could we have it back? I like to play a mod called "Double your Pleasure" (Dyp). It's hard, with a lot of changes, resources, luxuries, and a new large tech tree (tough choices!), it's a very well balanced mod IMHO. I would like to have my performance recorded...
So, in the words of Chuckles,

quote: Originally posted by Chuckles I WANT MY I WANT MY I WANT MY HOF!!!

	30-11-2002 19:09									#24
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taking away HoF for people who use the editor/mods was quite possibly one of the major bonehead moves by firaxis, imo (right up there with shipping PtW w/ shoddy multiplayer). WTF were they thinking? and SHAME on you beta testers that didnt see this as a problem and let firaxis "intentionally" put it in!

	30-11-2002 20:18									#25
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What makes you think the beta-testers didn't see it? All we can do is tell Firaxis about it.

	01-12-2002 02:05									#26
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quote: Originally posted by WarpStorm What makes you think the beta-testers didn't see it? All we can do is tell Firaxis about it.

That's what we did, but since the "selective HoF" was intentionally put, I don't think we can change their mind about this. Perhaps a good coder can make some kind of mod- a modded HoF - somewhat of a local stats logging for modded games. Is this possible or not ?

	01-12-2002 04:23									#27
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quote: Originally posted by WarpStorm What makes you think the beta-testers didn't see it? All we can do is tell Firaxis about it.

i think u misunderstood me, i said "...beta testers that didnt see this as a problem..." meaning you guys didnt think this would be a problem. sorry if i came off offensive but i really dont understand the reasons behind the selective HoF.

	01-12-2002 06:14									#28
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FWIW, the some of the beta testers (including myself) did complain once we noticed it.

	01-12-2002 19:15									#29
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Still I think that having no HoF is better then having like in Civ2 HoF full with scores from Scenarios.

	01-12-2002 23:17									#30
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I'VE GOT IT!!
The HoF screen shows the "no changes" scores, but there is a drop-down menu of other scenarios which have scores saved.

Choose the scenario, and it shows the scores for those games!