29-11-2002 05:03									#1
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Hi, how does this game treat international waters?
Currently anyone can mass a huge navy on one side of the other, and he does not have to leave the waters by international regulations. Same applies to uncolonized wasteland...

Well do we need to make international rules for nomansland,
or should we just have it the anachy/coldwar way?



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	29-11-2002 05:20									#2
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Any international regulation would have to be written up by an international committee, ala League of Nations/United Nations, etc. Otherwise there really are no rules for this kind of thing. Besides, without a United Nations assembly, how would this kind of thing be enforced?

	29-11-2002 05:30									#3
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Hope we don't have to wait until someone builds the UN wonder. In, let's say... perhaps ten years in RL (!!!)

Ok, but that is a typical in-game thing.
Sooner or later...
A collection of statesmen, ambassadors, travellers and diplomats will meet eventually. ( perhaps early in the game)
Then perhaps such a board is needed already?

	29-11-2002 11:01									#4
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It should be interesting to see whether the idea of UN would work in our game. Even if there was a international laws passed by a UN like system, if majority of teams simply choose to ignore it or make their own local rules between each civs, it will be useless.

If there is no standardized law, most likely teams will have to settle among themselves about unclaimed disputed land/sea. And that doesnt mean it cant be solved in peaceful diplomatic way just because there is no international law.

	29-11-2002 12:38									#5
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The law should be game rules. Your civ border goes out into the sea/ocean. Those are not International waters. they are part of your country. Beyond that is international waters. Anyone can go there.

	29-11-2002 14:44									#6
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quote: Originally posted by donegeal The law should be game rules. Your civ border goes out into the sea/ocean. Those are not International waters. they are part of your country. Beyond that is international waters. Anyone can go there.

I agree, let's not make this game any more complicated than it already is.

	29-11-2002 15:41									#7
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Agree with donegeal, voted NO.

	30-11-2002 03:43									#8
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Perhaps it will just evolve with experience instead then?

For example when someone are feeling the threat from
30 foreign ships (perhaps w/land units aboard) right ouside their local waters. Then they will perhaps try to make an agreement with the other nations to get that threat away. So they all agree,
and demand removal?
In this way perhaps international laws will evolve as it did in RL.....

	30-11-2002 06:28									#9
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I agree with donegeal.

It just becomes a point of diplomacy during the game.

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	06-12-2002 03:10									#10
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If we have national waters, then galleys would be useless, so I voted no.

	06-12-2002 03:32									#11
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Later, we can perhaps initiate an OSCB instead...
(Organization of Security and Cooperation on Bob)
Anyone that wishes can join the OCSB and make som great roleplay there, regardless of team membership...



It would make great international roleplay when conflicts arrives...
Just as in RL, where OSCE cannot actually force any nation to agreements, but merely does a lot of talking.

	06-12-2002 03:58									#12
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How, exactly, could this be enforced even if it were enacted? IT is the dawn of civilization itself and no tribe (to my knowledge) has contacted any other tribe.

International agreements on limiting ingame behavior regarding naval movements are territorial rights are several MILLENNIA off.

	06-12-2002 04:00									#13
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quote: Originally posted by realpolitic If we have national waters, then galleys would be useless, so I voted no.

What exactly do you mean? How would they become useless?

	06-12-2002 04:36									#14
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Good replies folks,
I also agree it's not neccessary to discuss this yet.
If we one day (perhaps in 10 years RL-time) open up an OSCB-thread, then international waters might be an issue...
I was moving a bit too quick here. Sorry chaps!

	06-12-2002 04:37									#15
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I'm guessing he said that because galleys can only sail on coastal tiles, before the necessary techs are discovered.

	06-12-2002 13:02									#16
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Good point about those galleys.

Maybe this should be decided between the civs themselves and not in an international agreement.

	13-12-2002 00:26									#17
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Well, it's not like you can demand someone leave in PBEM anyways...