30-11-2002 05:13									#1
	Any Europeans that can play with patch 1.14f? Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

As it stands now many Europeans (for some reason especially Dutch people, perhaps because the game was available earlier?) are not able to play the game with patch 1.14f. The reason seems to be that the US version uses another brand of copy protection than the European version. If those who have the problem install the patch, the program asks to insert the PTW disk even though it is in the drive.

However there are some(?) Europeans that can play with the patch installed. I am curious to know who can and who can not. If you can did you buy PTW in Europe or are you using the US version?

Does anyone know how one can detect whether you have the US version or not?

To start off: I do have the problem and bought my copy of PTW at Dynabyte on september 29 in the Netherlands (and, yes I also bought the original CIVIII so do not accuse me of using illegal stuff as someone suggested in another thread).

	30-11-2002 15:14									#2
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I scanned several bulletin boards and came up with the following results.

............................Able to play............Not able to play
Netherlands ...............1...............................9
Belgium......................1...............................1
UK.............................1...............................1
Germany.....................0...............................3
Scotland.....................0...............................1

I will have missed some posts of course.

There seem to be a few US players that have this problem too but I suppose that that originates from a different source (which does not make it better for them, of course).

I do not know which versions are used by those who are able to play and expect that there are more people that can (they have no reason to post). I hope this thread will shed some light on these questions.

	30-11-2002 15:21									#3
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Maybe I'm the 'able to play Belgian' you listed above. I have a UK Civ3 bought in Belgium and a US PtW ordered from www.gamestop.com. All works well.

	30-11-2002 17:17									#4
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quote: Originally posted by Crousto Maybe I'm the 'able to play Belgian' you listed above. I have a UK Civ3 bought in Belgium and a US PtW ordered from www.gamestop.com. All works well.

Indeed you are but thank you for adding the information that you bought the US PTW version. That seems to explain the fact that you can play it. Lucky you.

	30-11-2002 17:31									#5
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I can play. But you might have included me.
Dammit im still using a copied version of the game, until play stop 'packing' my order and actually deliver.

	30-11-2002 20:03									#6
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I can only concur that patch 1.14f messes up the macrovision safedisk protection.
I cannot play with it.

Well, I can still play single-player with the unpatched version.

Does the US version of PTW also have this protection ?

	01-12-2002 02:46									#7
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I can play with it...

...but i have the original US PTW.

	01-12-2002 04:41									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Sandy I can play. But you might have included me. Dammit im still using a copied version of the game, until play stop 'packing' my order and actually deliver.

I did indeed imply you. Thank you for posting.

Flandrien: The US version has a different copy protection (securom instead of safedisk). That is where this problem comes from.

I conclude that sofar all of those that can play the game use the US version.

	01-12-2002 04:53									#9
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Maybe the use of a NO-CD crack as a temporary fix would be justified in this case. I'm not promoting piracy... but the patch is broken.


Link edited by Ming... It's not how you might plan on using it... It's how others might.

It is illegal. If you continue to post the link elsewhere, you will be restricted.

Last edited by Ming on 02-12-2002 at 05:11

	01-12-2002 04:58									#10
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Im not promoting piracy either, but NO-CD cracks are actually very convenient.

My Scenario:
Desk covered in papers, books, cups of tea etc etc etc
Finding a CD takes a few minutes, and disrupts your desktop 'organisation'.

I argue that if you purchased the game, there shouldnt be a problem with using these cracks, even though technically they involve reverse engineering code and are against most eulas.

	01-12-2002 05:30									#11
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SANDY,

many of my CDs become damaged this is why i use no cd cracks

	01-12-2002 16:17									#12
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Thanks for the link, statusperfect. I bought my ptw disc at Media Markt in the Netherlands, and patching doesn't work.

If they can't fix it, I don't find any reason why I shouldn't get the no-CD crack. And for the protection of the original CD I prefer the no-CD play, too. I officially bought a copy, so why shouldn't I use that improvement? Especially on a laptop, where the CDs get quite warm and the player gets problems reading them after some time.

	01-12-2002 18:49									#13
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Unfortunatly posting that link violates rules of this forums.

So it's pretty possibile that your post will be edited very soon.

	01-12-2002 18:49									#14
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By the way, that was link to 1.04f no-cd crack.

	02-12-2002 02:13									#15
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And it is not against the rules to sell a product that does not work?

I expect some consideration in these special circumstances.

	02-12-2002 03:35									#16
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I have uploaded a NO CD for 1.14f and it works. I agree: If you buy a product and it does not work, you HAVE THE RIGHT to find your solution. Apart from that, you PAID FOR IT, so, who cares what you use? I use it only cuz I dont wanna have my CD on the drive, both cuz I like listening to music and cuz I dont wanna get it scratched by my kitten while I handle it.

The address where I ve uploaded the NO CD is the following:

Link Edited out by Ming...


roy

Last edited by Ming on 02-12-2002 at 05:09

	02-12-2002 04:04									#17
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quote: Originally posted by player1 Unfortunatly posting that link violates rules of this forums. So it's pretty possibile that your post will be edited very soon.

Yes it does. But i think the moderators will see the difference between helping someone to get the game to work and promoting piracy.

quote: Originally posted by player1 By the way, that was link to 1.04f no-cd crack.

It's the page for no-cd fixes for play the world... there will be a 1.14 version soon.

But now it's not needed as royroy's page got it before megagames.... great work!!!

	02-12-2002 05:13									#18
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quote: Originally posted by statusperfect Yes it does. But i think the moderators will see the difference between helping someone to get the game to work and promoting piracy.

quote: Originally posted by royroy The address where I ve uploaded the NO CD is the following: Link Edited out by Ming...

I guess you were wrong.

Link edioted, while other thread got DELETED.

	02-12-2002 05:41									#19
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I can see the differences in how it's used. However, it is still illegal... it's that simple.

	02-12-2002 05:58									#20
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quote: I can see the differences in how it's used. However, it is still illegal... it's that simple.

You mean, if Forums rules say no, then it's NO.

	02-12-2002 06:04									#21
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quote: Originally posted by player1 You mean, if Forums rules say no, then it's NO.

Well... yeah, this is a private site and the owners can make ANY rules they want.
And if you don't like it, you can always find some where else to post.

However, all cracks, unless approved by Firaxis are illegal... That's the law. It doesn't really matter how you use it, it's still illegal

	02-12-2002 07:04									#22
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I agree with Ming. I didnt know it was forbidden to post such a thing. Sorry. It wont happen again. I am sorry for all of you who didnt get the address nor the NO CD. It seems you ll have to go on fighting with Firaxis and Infogrames. Good luck in your quest. Anyway, I believe in the power of the masses and the people. So, lets have hope the companies understand you and give you nice solutions.

Roy

	02-12-2002 07:20									#23
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I know you didn't know... that's why I only edited it, deleted one, and just gave you a warning not to do it again.

	02-12-2002 13:34									#24
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I understand and support the rules and wait for another day before taking it in my own hands. At least I expect a reaction from Firaxis or Infogrames today. I will be patient for a while longer....

	02-12-2002 14:45									#25
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I don't agree with Ming. But i don't own Apolyton so it doesn't matter.

	02-12-2002 20:57									#26
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quote: Originally posted by statusperfect I don't agree with Ming. But i don't own Apolyton so it doesn't matter.

Hmmm... what are you disagreeing with. An unautharized crack is Illegal, and that's just a fact, not an opinion.

	02-12-2002 22:25									#27
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quote: Ming: An unautharized crack is Illegal, and that's just a fact, not an opinion.

Every judge will take an opinion after concidering the spirit of the law, not the letter of the law. There is no judge that will decide that an illegal action has been performed if one fixed a broken game by self-made software.

But I know that among the apolyton admins the "spirit of the law" phrase is an unknown phrase.

	02-12-2002 23:03									#28
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quote: Originally posted by CyberShy Every judge will take an opinion after concidering the spirit of the law, not the letter of the law.

Every judge... HAHAHAHAHAHAHA... what fantasy land do you live in

quote: But I know that among the apolyton admins the "spirit of the law" phrase is an unknown phrase.

Another boring troll...

If there was a guarantee that the hack would only be used for legal purposes, then I might agree with you. But even in your own fantasy land, not even you can guarantee that.

It is a fact that an unauthorized hack is illegal... and that some will use it in an illegal fashion. This site doesn't want to condone or support illegal use of gaming software, so its policy on this issue is a solid one.

But again... all you seem to want to do is take cheap shots at the admin here... why let the facts get in the way of your silly vendeta

	02-12-2002 23:37									#29
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quote: Every judge... HAHAHAHAHAHAHA... what fantasy land do you live in

thus you state that a judge will decide someone who bought civ3, but could not play it, but installed a hack to get it playable, to be guilty?

quote: If there was a guarantee that the hack would only be used for legal purposes, then I might agree with you. But even in your own fantasy land, not even you can guarantee that.

most people who do pirate games / install it from their friends, do know where to find these hacks anyway.
People who buy games oftenly do not.

and of course I agree that it will be misused.
The point is that it will be misused anyway.

quote: It is a fact that an unauthorized hack is illegal... and that some will use it in an illegal fashion. This site doesn't want to condone or support illegal use of gaming software, so its policy on this issue is a solid one.

I think it's not illegal if your game doesn't work without the hack. I'm not a laywer, but I (again) doubt that it's against the law to fix something you bought broken.

quote: But again... all you seem to want to do is take cheap shots at the admin here...

you concider this to be a cheap shot?
I guess the rest of them must be pricelest for that matter
What if you forget about your idea that I have a vendeta against you :| I have not, I'm not a fool.
I just react if I think silly actions are performed. And I think I did it in quiet a polite way. And yes, the thing about the spirit of the laws is a joke. (you had to laugh, didn't you )

now just say that a no-cd link will be tolerated as long as Firaxis didn't provide good working patch.

In that case everybody will be happy.
don't worry about the bad guys, they'll be bad anyway.
be there to help the good guys!

now go and hunt some other vendeta's!
go Ming, you can do it

	02-12-2002 23:51									#30
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quote: Originally posted by CyberShy I just react if I think silly actions are performed. And I think I did it in quiet a polite way.

Yeah... saying "But I know that among the apolyton admins the "spirit of the law" phrase is an unknown phrase." is really polite...

You may think it's silly... but by allowing such links, it leaves Apolyton open to legal action by gaming companies. It's illegal... so to not allow it is not silly