01-12-2002 22:47									#31
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As others have noted, one of the problems with Stars Wars is the "kid" tie-in. Lucus seems to pollute his movies with "cute and cuddly" creaters that both appeal to the kids and make great action figure toys.

I think the one of the reasons most of us like Return of the Empire is that it was almost completely devoid of "cute and cuddly." It was serious from beginning to end.

	02-12-2002 01:02									#32
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The best part of Return of the Empire was when Luke knocked out the Emperor with his jedi platform shoes.

I also liked the part where Leia and Lando got shrunk and hitched a ride in Darth Vader's helmet.

	02-12-2002 02:23									#33
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i dont like fantasy...

	02-12-2002 03:52									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Sandman The best part of Return of the Empire was when Luke knocked out the Emperor with his jedi platform shoes. I also liked the part where Leia and Lando got shrunk and hitched a ride in Darth Vader's helmet.

What the heck is this Return of the Empire?

	02-12-2002 04:11									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Jules What the heck is this Return of the Empire?

Think he is referring to "the empire strikes back".

	02-12-2002 04:19									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Sandman The best part of Return of the Empire was when Luke knocked out the Emperor with his jedi platform shoes. I also liked the part where Leia and Lando got shrunk and hitched a ride in Darth Vader's helmet.

Heretic! The best part was when everybody danced! It helped us to understand the Emperor's motivations when he donned his leisure suit -- it helped everybody to realize "Hey, the Emperor may be the embodiment of evil, but he can sure boogie..."

	02-12-2002 04:47									#37
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quote: Originally posted by statusperfect Think he is referring to "the empire strikes back".

The parodied version perhaps.

	02-12-2002 05:19									#38
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quote: Heretic! The best part was when everybody danced! It helped us to understand the Emperor's motivations when he donned his leisure suit -- it helped everybody to realize "Hey, the Emperor may be the embodiment of evil, but he can sure boogie..."

If we're talking about the originals, maybe, but they messed up the special edition with the CG glitterball and background dancers.

Having said that, the special edition greatly cleaned up Yoda's snowboarding sequence.

	02-12-2002 07:15									#39
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Fairly bad movies with fairly bad writing, fairly bad acting, fairly bad directing and horrible hideous direct to fast food toy tie-ins aka Muppets. Is this why?

	02-12-2002 08:01									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Viking Berserk i dont like fantasy...

Well, there goes your entire worldview.

	02-12-2002 08:30									#41
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This is a bit dated but still brings a smile to my lips.

	02-12-2002 09:00									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Alinestra Covelia www.enixine.co.uk/episode1ispants.html This is a bit dated but still brings a smile to my lips.

I gather I'm a bit out of the loop, but you were named in the page, and I was curious as to your relation with it.

	02-12-2002 09:05									#43
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Attack of the clones was much worse than the Phantom Menace, at least based on my inital viewing of it. That opinion may change when I get the DVD for christmas though.
Return of the Jedi was always tops for me. With ANH and ESB in a draw for second.

	02-12-2002 09:10									#44
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Anakin in Episode 2 was much, much, much more annoying than Jar Jar. An incredibly cheesy romance story wasn't the brightest thing Lucas thought of.

	02-12-2002 12:02									#45
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Natalie Portman. Cold filming set. Nuff said.

	02-12-2002 18:27									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Calc II I generally steer myself away from any star prefixed scifi shows/movies...

I like the way you use the force.

	02-12-2002 23:14									#47
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What, did the OP actually compare the SW Franchise to the Roman Empire?

Doesn't he know how much Lucas pulled from LOTR and Dune?

	02-12-2002 23:40									#48
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ANH and ESB are great films, ESB being the best of the bunch. ANH suffers from some stretches of boringness and bad acting on the part of some people *cough*Harrison Ford*cough*, but is still a very good movie. There is an edginess and grit to these movies that I can't help but see as the true SW universe.

Things started going wrong by RotJ, which is still an enjoyable film, but is plagued by the cuddly Ewoks, the mustache-twirling villainy of the Emperor, and a myriad of plot inconsistencies. But, yes, it does have the coolest space battle in all of movies (though it is closely based on an actual WWII air battle). However, we can clearly see in this movie the movement towards movie-making-to-create-a-toy-franchise rather than actual story-telling for its own sake.

TPM was atrocious, filled with a ludicrous plot, horrendous acting and more irritating "cuteness" than a Disney cartoon. While it did have a few great moments (the Darth Maul lightsaber duel being one of them), they were always short-lived and quickly gave way to the moments of stilted dialogue and dumb plot contrivances. Any movie that makes Samuel L. Jackson look bad has to be a stinker.

I have not seen AotC yet, mostly because I reviled TPM so much. I suppose I will rent it on DVD sometime soon.

	02-12-2002 23:43									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov I have not seen AotC yet, mostly because I reviled TPM so much. I suppose I will rent it on DVD sometime soon.

It's one of those movies that's better on DVD/VHS than in the theaters, since that way you can skip the boring ****.

	03-12-2002 08:06									#50
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AOTC was a thrilling experience for one reason only: most real SW fans are obviously with the side of the Empire, simply because it's cool. Seeing the Empire during it's rise and knowing what is hiding behind all of Palpatine's schemes is making the experience really worth it. The coolest moment of AOTC is near the end, where you see the vast clone stormtrooper army boarding some ships resembling early minuscule star destroyers and listening to a hint of the imperial death march. And of course, all the heroism of the good guys has a more tragic flavor in it when you realise where it will lead.

	03-12-2002 10:30									#51
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quote: Anakin in Episode 2 was much, much, much more annoying than Jar Jar.

Not. Even. Close.

Jar-Jar was 10 times more annoying.

	03-12-2002 11:27									#52
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quote: Not. Even. Close. Jar-Jar was 10 times more annoying.

Nothing, absolutely nothing is more annoying than teenage angst-ridden whining.

quote: Natalie Portman. Cold filming set. Nuff said.

True dat. But Anakin kept giving me murderous impulses.

	03-12-2002 13:06									#53
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the Empire rules!

because good is dumb.

	03-12-2002 15:26									#54
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What I don't unerstand about many cheesy good-versus-evil movies is the motivation of the bad guy.

Sidious is pouring a huge amount of money and effort into a vast conspiracy to subvert the Republic and transform it into the Empire. A risky operation with a big chance of failure.

He desperately wants to be Emperor because... ?

"Because he's evil" appears to be sufficient justification for Lucas.

	03-12-2002 15:57									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Jack the Bodiless "Because he's evil" appears to be sufficient justification for Lucas.

You pinpoint the main criticism europeans make about Holywood's movies.
And with bad consequence that many europeans even think: "'Because he is evil' is sufficient justification for Americans".
See european's opinion on american's foreign policy.

	03-12-2002 18:33									#56
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quote: Nothing, absolutely nothing is more annoying than teenage angst-ridden whining.

So why are you still at Apolyton .

I actually liked the character of Anakin. Good job by Hayden Christiansen.

	03-12-2002 19:08									#57
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Without "Empire Strike Back" I wouldn't be the as big a fan as I am. Lucas needs to let others take the reins and do the things he isn't good at like... directing, writing, casting, producing, uhmmm.... maybe someone can just buy the franchise from him before he completely destroys it.

	03-12-2002 19:09									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui I actually liked the character of Anakin. Good job by Hayden Christiansen.

AHHHHHHHH.... that kid couldn't act his way out of a school play.

	03-12-2002 19:09									#59
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That ego again. The guy took a HUGE risk in creating the franchise. Now you want to take it away from him? It's his baby and he can run it into the ground if he wants to (which I don't think he is doing).

	03-12-2002 19:11									#60
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This is America... you can buy anything away from anyone. Michael Jackson bought the rights to the Beatles' work.