02-12-2002 01:18									#31
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It is 5. I checked with the worker in the start tile.

I will do what Nathan suggested.

Moving Worker.

	02-12-2002 01:18									#32
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sorry, didn't read nbarclays post very well.

so, I agree with that plan

	02-12-2002 01:19									#33
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Keep in mind, that chopping forest will give us 10 shields in turn 6. Let's not waste this!

	02-12-2002 01:20									#34
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Five turns to clear with industrious (which is actually a bit awkward since we'll probably end up wasting half the first forest tile's yield, but oh well).

With roads, irrigated furs will all be two production, two food, two gold. It's just that the one on the river will be two gold without having to wait for the road (and three once we leave Despotism).

	02-12-2002 01:20									#35
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Worker sees

----Plains on river
--Grass on river (no shield)
Forest on grass... with Furs!

	02-12-2002 01:20									#36
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Excuse the newb, but:
1. What is alva or alvh?
2. How did we get the screenshots of the other civs' starting locations?

	02-12-2002 01:22									#37
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Shiber, that's an other game, I'll explain that later

	02-12-2002 01:22									#38
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Those are our own Shiber. We have been playing amonst ourselves for practice.

	02-12-2002 01:23									#39
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Shiber:

Welcome.

1. Both alva and alvh mean Alva848, the owner of this site.
2. We did not. What you see is our own PBEM.

	02-12-2002 01:23									#40
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... and PTW just crashed. Good thing I saved...

	02-12-2002 01:23									#41
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If the worker doesn't show anything new, I guess plop the settler if that's the consensus. (Personally, I'm not fond of building my first city on a tile with a production bonus, but I don't care a huge amount.)

Nathan

	02-12-2002 01:24									#42
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OK. You guys discuss that. I am going to restart my comp. brb.

	02-12-2002 01:30									#43
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Right. Moving the settler to the grass on the other side of the river, if no one objects...

Got to get smokes. I will check here again before I do anything.

	02-12-2002 01:32									#44
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If we do that, do we still have a two-food tile we can work until we get the forest cleared and irrigated?

	02-12-2002 01:34									#45
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No, move it SW to the plains

	02-12-2002 01:35									#46
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Always build on the tile with the least food.

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Thanks Sir Ralph.

	02-12-2002 01:36									#48
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I think yes (to the is another grass tile , again I think )

	02-12-2002 01:39									#49
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1 SW it is. Onto the plains.

	02-12-2002 01:40									#50
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Opens up into 3 plains with a Mountain W2 from the current position of the settler.

	02-12-2002 01:41									#51
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Sending the turn along.

	02-12-2002 01:44									#52
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could you send me an updated pic (if possible crop it under 600pixels wide )

	02-12-2002 01:49									#53
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Could we have another screenshot please, now that our turn is over?

Unfortunately, it seems to be a bit late to do anything about it, but the "least food" argument for choosing plains over grassland to settle applies only if there won't be time to improve the tiles (which was why I asked whether another 2-food tile was available if we settled the grassland). With improvement, both plains and normal grassland are two food and one shield, but it takes less time to irrigate a plains tile than to mine a grassland.

	02-12-2002 01:54									#54
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btw: are LI out of the game??

(I missed something I guess)

	02-12-2002 02:04									#55
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Well I'm late but I say on the start location, it will do nicely. It's nothing compared to NYE's start on the PBEM other PBEM game....

	02-12-2002 02:10									#56
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Yeah, I'm late as well, but the start looks nice. As to moving the settler: good, as long as there is more food nearby... I'm all for balanced tiles in the early game, irrigated flood plains will give more food then you need, but doesn't bring any shields, so mined grallslands would be better for me. But please, settle the next turn, don't go exploring too far

DeepO

	02-12-2002 02:11									#57
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Alva, lux are #6: player Illuminatus (yeah, they're real modest)

DeepO

	02-12-2002 02:12									#58
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yeah, I wanne start building some glorious troops too

	02-12-2002 02:15									#59
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The only reason for moving at all was to avoid wasting a tile with a production bonus. I think we're ready to settle next turn.

Start our research with Bronze Working, as originally planned?

	02-12-2002 02:19									#60
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nathan, Re: settling position: if the settler moved one tile SW from the start, it would now still be on a fur... a mixed blessing, as you have more instant commerce, but less possible shields. I would settle now to not lose a turn, otherwise I would have moved 1 tile W instead of SW, to get off the fur. I guess it's just a matter of taste, though.

DeepO