02-12-2002 01:07									#1
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so, we need to budget our energy among regions. and i have to do it . thus, how should we distribute the wealth?

1. Distribute energy equally among regions
   
2. Distribute energy among regions based on Population
   
3. Distribute energy among regions based Write-In
   
4. Leave 0% for emergencies
   
5. Leave 10% for emergencies
   
6. Leave 20% for emergencies
   
7. Leave 30% for emergencies
   
8. Leave 40% for emergencies
   
9. Leave 50% for emergencies
   
10. Leave 60% for emergencies
    
11. Leave Write-In% for emergencies
    
12. just let governors use credits when needed, and f*ck budgeting

choose 2 options. example: choosing 1)Distribute energy equally among regions, and 2)Leave 30% for emergencies, means you want to distribute the energy equally among regions, leaving 30% for emergencies
3 days.

Last edited by Method on 02-12-2002 at 01:13

	02-12-2002 01:27									#2
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Distribute energy among regions based Write-In: I think we should distribute giving more to those that produce less minerals, because the day-to-day uses will probably just be hurrying facilities and units.

Leave Write-In for emergencies: A percentage of what? We have different amounts at different times, so the emergency fund could be 5 Ec or 1000 Ec. I think we should leave a flat 200 or 300 Ec for emergencies.

Or we could just f**k budgeting and poll for every hurry needed.

	02-12-2002 01:36									#3
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a percentage of our total reserve

this is a *very* hard poll to make

	02-12-2002 01:41									#4
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quote: Originally posted by TKG a percentage of our total reserve

So it would fluctuate? Doesn't seem that stable to me

quote: Originally posted by TKG this is a *very* hard poll to make

hehe, yep, I don't envy your job

	02-12-2002 01:45									#5
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I thought a percentage of our income.

	02-12-2002 01:51									#6
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option l. f*ck budgeting, our collective common sense should determine spending. So when someone suggests rushing a unit another might plea a different case. would there be anyone ( except in an entrapment ploy) who would say 'you can't have that vital trance scout because your region is over budget'

	02-12-2002 02:02									#7
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1) Budget for regions :

Make a poll each time the region governors are appointed indicating how much credit ( a fixed figure not based on %) each governor is assigned to rush build improvement or to upgrades units inside their borders.

In other words, have this voted once and only each term.

2) In the same poll , have the number of credit which should be kept for urgent matters be voted, again a fixed figure.

For this poll, have the vote be made in increment of 50 credits for example.

Example : The governors are appointed and a vote is made.

600 cred have to divided. Governor A get 150, B 100 credits, C 250 credits and the remaining 150 are saved for urgent matters.


OR ...................... F*ck budgeting

But there will be more poll in the future just to divide the energy reserves.

	02-12-2002 02:04									#8
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By the way when was there the firm suggestion that regions would even have a budget in the first place. TKG I think you are keen and eager and that is good but you are going beyond your jurisdiction here into an area that was not discussed. Re read your role and duty

	02-12-2002 02:15									#9
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Actually budgetting was discussed Hercules. I just don't know where exactly. In one of the many governor threads. Reread the recent discussions Hercules.

Btw, I'd just go for a permanent 500 reserve we never go under. The money above that can be spent as wished. Divisions could happen according the amount of energy they produce every year. However the governor could lobby for exceptions and allowances to go above his spending limit, for example when a drone riot has occurred and hurrying an expensive research hospital is the only solution. Or when the DIA has ordered a certain region to focus on colonization while those new bases won't fall under the jurisdiction of that old region. Any decent governor of a frontier region ( ) would demand compensations for producing items which don't help the economic growth of its region.

	02-12-2002 03:11									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Hercules Re read your role and duty

it says i have the duty of dividing energy amongst the regions...is that not what this poll (supposedly ) should do

seeing the failure of this poll, we'll have a bit more discussion and i'll have a new one soon

	02-12-2002 03:19									#11
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Why doesn't the DIA just look ahead before turnchat/thread and decide how much Ec each region is likely to need for 'normal' use (eg. hurrying, general day to day stuff) and then draw up a budget accordingly. That's what I'd take "dividing energy amongst the regions" to be. Then just keep some spare in case we need to rush military units or SPs etc.

	02-12-2002 04:58									#12
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Just f*ck budgetting, the regions are an administrative division, there's no need to treat them as more than that. We should authorize spending as necessary.

	02-12-2002 07:16									#13
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What GT said.

	02-12-2002 08:22									#14
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Drogue :

quote: Also should you put about assigning a budget to each Governor in the amendment too?

DeathByTheSword

quote: i already did that!: DIA has the duties of: assigning crawlers, formers and funds to the regions!

Maniac: This was the total amount of discussion on this ie not really a discussion
we have had more detailed discussions about the placing of formers.
But commons sense prevails.

So as not to damage my future prospects as a governor I offer my apologies on this matter, to one TKG, Director and all round good guy, raconteur, pollster etc.

Here have a glass of Black Stuff (special 1916 vintage).

	02-12-2002 14:22									#15
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write-in: income

	02-12-2002 16:39									#16
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leave 500ec in case of emergency, and give credits to regions according to their population.

	02-12-2002 18:24									#17
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I did vote for budgeting, but with a caveat (write-in): We should distribute energy based on need. If a certain base doesn't have a Rec Commons, and needs one, that takes priority over another base which already has a Rec Commons and Hologram Theatre. Our budget, if we have one, should be geared toward equitable treatment of the citizens of all our bases.

	02-12-2002 18:58									#18
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I agree completely that spending on each region should be need-based. We should work out a system to assess upcoming needs (allowing for possibilities like rushing defenders, etc.) and submitting budget "requests" based on those. I'd hate to see something overly bureaucratic (don't we get enough of that in RL?) but we need something adaptable and reflective of what's going on in the game - not just formulaic.

As for emergencies, the amount that should be held in reserve should depend upon the situation. How is the war going? Are we nearing a mass-upgrade for fusion reactors? Things along those lines. We should allocate the emergency fund by vote at the same time as the rest of the budget is passed.

	04-12-2002 01:12									#19
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write ins: distribute energy based on need

retain a fixed number of credits in reserve

	06-12-2002 23:50									#20
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new poll about this soon....a *good* one