02-12-2002 06:45									#1
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For those who has not seen 4000BC start loc, its on a river (settler was on hill) moved Settler SW to reg. grassland on river and moved worker due south where it will (mine I assume) shield grassland next turn when we make city.

City radius specs:

Grassland - 3/4 - 1 river
Grassland Shield - 2/3 (one grassland obscured) - 1 river
Grassland Forest - 2 - 2 river
Grassland Forest w/spices - 1 - 1 river
Plains - 5 - 1 river
Plains Forest - 1 - 1 river
Hills 5 - 4 river

Total squares with river bonus: 11

Last edited by CiverDan on 02-12-2002 at 07:24

	02-12-2002 08:07									#2
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Sounds good. I agree we should mine. I'm thinking we should poll Trip's overall 'worker behaviour', heh heh

	02-12-2002 08:23									#3
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Looks a great city site, we can see some nice coast to the east near the mountains, perhaps we can build a port sometime.

I think we should start buildign a warrior actually though i voted spearman in the poll (poll was too narrow anyway)

Well done Dan for the first turn and trip for advising.

	02-12-2002 09:07									#4
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I cant vision the exact scenario, but it sounds as if it might have not been to obad to just settle the city on the starting position. No matter where you settle, the town square bonus is 2/1/1.

I could use the save file and the password so i can see the game. Anyone has it?

	02-12-2002 09:11									#5
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I'm not sure, but from a literal interpretation of the description, I believe though the start was on a hill, which is good, it was not on the river, whilst the new spot is. That hill likely gave us a good view which allowed us to see what sounds like a beautiful starting position.

	02-12-2002 15:12									#6
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Where can we find the save file??

	02-12-2002 15:40									#7
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Hold on - now I gave this a little more thought...

a) I had not been noticed the game had started yet, and had therefore not seen any saved game;

b) I'm running for Minister of the Interior (poll: 9 - 1 - 0) and would therefore think that I have something to say about city placement and the moving of any workers;

c) I asked in another thread 'who is going to play the game' but got no clear answer; now, someone who is not the administrator is playing;

d) You MOVED the settler (using up a turn) without even consulting us?! Was the hill next to a river? We might have settled there, or at LEAST discussed it.

As you can probably tell, I am not happy with the way things went. Any explanation?

	02-12-2002 16:07									#8
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This is a clear exmple of the fact that a demo game is unplayable if you can't post images in the team forum.

	02-12-2002 17:29									#9
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At the time, Trip wasn't in the room, and the only other person from LI online who had PTW was CiverDan, so responsibility fell to him. (EDIT: AFAIK, that was the case. I was in the room before and after Dan played, but not during. Trip had handed off responsibility for playing the first turn to Dan beforehand.)

In the chat, I found out that the hill was, in fact, on the river (so was the new site). The reason for moving was because there was a hut that would have been popped immediately upon settling. It's no closer to the luxury (NW-NW before, N-NW after).

If someone has webspace somewhere, contact Trip, CiverDan, or Admiral PJ (all three have the start image), then upload it. In the meantime, bug MarkG so he'll allow us to post attachments in the team subforums.

Last edited by Vlad Antlerkov on 02-12-2002 at 19:37

	02-12-2002 19:37									#10
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Wat BFM said has some truth to it. All ministers should have recieved the sav file if not an image so they can chime their ideas. Heck regular members present should have recieved some kind of image as well.

I have a geocities webspace i dont use (comes with yahoo account). I gues i can make a shoddy page with links to images and save files...

	02-12-2002 19:43									#11
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Present how, where and when? Which "room"? What time? I didn't even know that the game had started out in such a place! At what time did we receive the emailed save game? How long did we have to study it?

It is essential to keep each other informed about these things!!

	02-12-2002 19:47									#12
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well everyone was present in apolyton chat room.... it was kinda unannounced but EVERYONE was there. (Live chat enter thing you see above)

Does Trip have PTW? was this the problem that caused trip not to play? sorry i missed out alot since i left early.

	02-12-2002 19:53									#13
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#LuxInvicta on IRC. (Invite-only, BTW.) We got the save circa 1900 ET last night (not sure on that, though).

I don't know how long Dan studied it. I wasn't in there when the save was played.

As it happens, either Dan or the guy on VC who played is responsible for AP being inadvertently turned on (meaning we need to replay the first turn for the last few teams).

Calc, I have no idea if Trip has PTW or not. (I think he does, he just wasn't around.)

	02-12-2002 19:59									#14
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I hope we can replay it. Was the turn played in the chatroom itself?! That way, people who were asleep during that time (due to being in a different time zone) could not have attended.

Which IRC system are you referring to? Undernet? Dalnet? ...

	02-12-2002 20:05									#15
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#LuxInvicta on the Apolyton server. Here's how to access the Apolyton IRC server.

AFAIK, most of the teams, LI included, did their turns in private chatrooms. Yeah, it's a problem for those not in any American time zone, unfortunately (as we discovered with MWIA and the Civ3DG, as you know).

	02-12-2002 20:08									#16
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Was this the only (i.e. first and last) time the turns were played in a chat ?

	02-12-2002 20:46									#17
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I was actually there the moment that Dan got and played the game. I was going to play the game, but something came up so I had to have him step in for me.

I told Dan to move the settler and the worker. The settler was on top of a hill, which instead of building our city upon, we can mine later on and get three extra shields from it, since we can make up the food deficit due to irrigating the grassland around us (later).

If you have any problems with the move, then consult me, not Dan.

There was 1 turn played by every team yesterday, many of them while everyone (~30) was in the chatroom.

	02-12-2002 21:21									#18
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I have webspace that can be used for images if need be. Just send them to me at ixnay_37@hotmail.com

	02-12-2002 21:29									#19
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Yes, I have a problem with the fact that there was a move and a build that were not announced or discussed whatsoever in our Forum. And - this decision might affect lots of things in the game to come.
I can understand that you had to act quick - but why was this never known beforehand?

	02-12-2002 23:12									#20
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Yeah, I would have like to have known...just to witness the event, if nothing else. There is no military...but I would like to @$^%#$^% know about #!$^%@#$ like this in the !$%#$% future! :doitnow:

	03-12-2002 03:47									#21
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I made the move after consulting with Trip. No one else from the team was present at the time so I followed Trip's orders. As far as I understood there was no one esle from our team available to play and Trip didn't give me instructions to wait for other team members before moving. As far as the "acc prod" problem I dont know if it was me thought all recent MP games I have played had used acc prod and it was undoubtedly on when I loaded the save. This shouldn't have caused the setting on the save to change though. It may be a bug that I wasn't prepared for since I never played PBEM before, but one we wil have to watch for...

As far as map/save I gave Trip the map and save and vlad and PJ the map only. No one else was around when I had to leave. I didn't know where emails of all team members were (after all I never thought I would have to play the turn, always assumed it would either b be Trip or at least a minister) but if I had known them all I would have sent them. I would have to know though who has PTW also so I dont sent a save you cant use.

If we can post saves now in the main forum I will post it there too.

Last edited by CiverDan on 03-12-2002 at 03:55

	03-12-2002 05:56									#22
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After a long discussion with BFM, we decided that the move that I made was probably the best one.

	03-12-2002 07:40									#23
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Ok, let me be one of the first to say...we (the team members who feel excluded) may have over-reacted...just a bit. However, I would hope that this kind of "emergency" can be avoided via BFM's communications setup.

	03-12-2002 10:21									#24
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Regarding images and save files etc. I have set up http://lux.aomgamer.com and soon I will give out the FTP username and password for anyone who wants to upload stuff. I'll make it so anyone who knows the password can view it from the net for those not familiar with FTP.

	03-12-2002 13:05									#25
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Let's avoid these kind of matters in the future. I set up an email group to use to get things done quickly (if needed). If anyone is not on that yet, please mail me at apolyton@geenspamrutgermooy.net - and remove the geenspam part.

	03-12-2002 14:20									#26
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Communication via messengers, email, here and the yahoo group will make things much smoother and relaxed from now on. What happened was a one-time deal due to the circumstances.

	03-12-2002 23:45									#27
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Still onboard, chief!