02-12-2002 09:45									#1
	What to do about Accelerated Production being turned on Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

I hope I'm not out of line starting a poll

Problem: Accelerated Production has been turned on, and can't be turned off.

Issues:
1. Some team(s) got a small boost.
2. We decided that AP would be off.
3. If we undo it, it could be turn on again (repeat).

Options:
1. Deal with it. It's bound to happen, and not so bad anyway; let's just go with it.
2. Go back to the save where it happened. And do this every time that it happens in the future.

	02-12-2002 09:57									#2
	Support Apolyton

(my opinions)

Issue 1 is IMHO not a big deal. My team is one that will not get a boost, and I really don't think it will impact the big picture.

OTOH issue 2 is IMHO a big deal. We decided that this would be off; it shouldn't be "left on" without some sort of discussion. For all we know someone could have changed it because they wanted it on (It could also be a very honest mistake). I'd hate to see all our democratic planning undermined in such a way.

Issue 3 could be a pain, but if we pre-determine that no saves with AP on will be played then via email/PM we should be able to get turns re-played quickly and get everything back on track without much lost time.

	02-12-2002 10:14									#3
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

How exactly did it get "turned on"?

	02-12-2002 10:44									#4
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

What exactly does it do?

	02-12-2002 11:08									#5
	Support Apolyton

Halves the number of food to grow and shields to build.

	02-12-2002 11:32									#6
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

No AP!!!!! Go back and fix!

	02-12-2002 12:07									#7
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition

I really don't mind either way, but we did vote to have it off. If it's not too much of a hassle, go back and fix it, I guess.

	02-12-2002 12:24									#8
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

It speeds up research, time to grow, time to build.

At first it really does seem cool. But it could limit unit usefulness. although if we are a peaceful civ that is OK with me . uu's will have a shorter life. Because the units move at the same speed.

I don't care either way.

	02-12-2002 14:04									#9
	Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

Let's find out who turned AP on, how, and why. It can't have been turned on randomly. Either it's a bug, someone loaded/saved the wrong way, was not on 1.14, or used some @#!& cracked/warez version. If we can find a good reason for this problem and correct it, I think we should play the turns again (not a big deal) because no AP won by a landslide (75%) in the previous poll.

	02-12-2002 14:07									#10
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

It wasn't accidently turned on from game creation? sometimes those check marks are defaulted to the last game started.

I can't see how it can be turned on except from the game creation. This bothers me.

	02-12-2002 14:11									#11
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

No, I'm sure it was off until we (RP team, 4th in the order) played. It may have gone wrong when we saved it, or later in the chain (Vox, Lux or Lego). Those 3 teams should check the save again and tell us if AP was on or off (just check if a warrior needs 5 or 10 shields to be built).

	02-12-2002 14:42									#12
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

quote: Originally posted by Crousto No, I'm sure it was off until we (RP team, 4th in the order) played. It may have gone wrong when we saved it, or later in the chain (Vox, Lux or Lego). Those 3 teams should check the save again and tell us if AP was on or off (just check if a warrior needs 5 or 10 shields to be built).

It was on when we got it (I played the turn on behalf of Legoland). I am 100% sure of that. At least I had no opportunity to change/set it and as I never use AP in my SP games, I assume that it was already on. My best guess is that it's a bug. I have no idea how to change the AP setting of a launched PBEM game, even if I wanted to - the save just loads and off you go... no option setting...

I can live with it and without it, too... either way is fine. But if it was not intentional, then I guess it should be fixed.

	02-12-2002 15:32									#13
	Enter the AD-FREE zone

It was off when we were playing(10 turns for city growth), so it's either Lux or Lego.

	02-12-2002 15:45									#14
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

quote: Originally posted by Eli It was off when we were playing(10 turns for city growth), so it's either Lux or Lego.

Is there a way to tell if a savegame has the AP on without actually loading it? 'cause all I can tell is that after I loaded the savegame I got from CiverDan (LI), the AP was on. But I do not seem to be able to tell whether I got a savegame with the flag set, or if my PtW install did the naughty thing. I tend to believe I got it that way, since I have never ever had (and do not currently have) the AP set on in my SP games, thus there is almost no chance that some default setting of my PtW install could carry over into the demogame save.

If it really got screwed along the way, I would be for fixing it and fixing the password problem for the team that did not set one. Would make things easier, IMHO.

	02-12-2002 17:17									#15
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

Let's try to fix it, and we can get Vox to put in a password thus fixing both problems.

	02-12-2002 17:28									#16
	Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

Great, i'm available for most of the next 10 hours, so if you'll need a VC member to do the turn, contact me.

	02-12-2002 17:33									#17
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

quote: Originally posted by Eli Great, i'm available for most of the next 10 hours, so if you'll need a VC member to do the turn, contact me.

Eli, Voxes are the first to redo their turn, so if you have the savegame, just go ahead and play the turn again, setting the password and making sure the AP is off. Email to Lux Invicta then. I got the savegame from CiverDan yesterday, so I suppose he is the one to be sent the save for the replay. His email is dan1195_at_yahoo.com - replace the... eh, you know...

As soon as Luxes are done with their replay, they can send the save game to me (vondrack@jimaz.cz) and I will do our turn again, emailing the file over to nye.

	02-12-2002 17:39									#18
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

Flash played that turn, so I dont have the save. But if whoever played before us is online, he can email me the game to shadowmn@netvision.net.il

	02-12-2002 18:12									#19
	Tired of ads?

Are we considering this decided then? I can FW the email I sent to Flash to Eli.

	02-12-2002 18:18									#20
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

Yes, please do.

	02-12-2002 18:23									#21
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

Post-Roleplay save has been emailed to Eli.

	02-12-2002 18:30									#22
	Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

Game played, password set, there were no signs on accelerated production.

To who do I need to email the save now?

	02-12-2002 18:33									#23
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

quote: His email is dan1195_at_yahoo.com - replace the... eh, you know...

Ok, mail sent.

	02-12-2002 20:27									#24
	Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

Eli - please mail me the save game, too! Dan might not be online now, and we need to make sure what happened.

My email is: apolyton@geenspamrutgermooy.net

- remove the geenspam from this

BFM
Lux Invicta