03-12-2002 19:35									#31
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quote: Ah but I have stated why I think the games we are discussing should be classed as very similar in gameplay style. Your argument is mere unsubstantiated sophistry.

The Sims and SimCity are AS similar in gameplay as Starcraft and Civ2. The only thing they have in common is openendedness.

	03-12-2002 19:49									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui The Sims and SimCity are AS similar in gameplay as Starcraft and Civ2.

I could not disagree more. Perhaps others will post their opinions.

	03-12-2002 19:50									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui The Sims and SimCity are AS similar in gameplay as Starcraft and Civ2.

I could not agree more.

	03-12-2002 19:54									#34
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Not you.

	04-12-2002 01:59									#36
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The Sims online is surprisingly good...

I got it to see how bad it was but it's pretty addictive.

I'm essentially a venture capitalist in the game now. I've got tons of money so I loan other people money to go start up businesses.

	04-12-2002 02:44									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Asher I'm essentially a venture capitalist in the game now. I've got tons of money so I loan other people money to go start up businesses.

So you became an evil loan officer? Good thing I signed up with DiTech.com.

	04-12-2002 03:34									#38
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I love openended games- Morrowind, Grand Theft Auto 3, Simcity, etc. Heck, I guess fundamently CIV is openended in the sense that you simply need to survive as an empire, and where the ends justify the means.

ADG: did you really say "proberbly"? :O

	04-12-2002 08:13									#39
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i liked the sims for a week or two, but its boring after ahwile, sim city was fun, but its a different kind of fun.

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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike A lot of people seem to be drawing a distinction between sim city and the sims. I have to say I do not see the difference.

Okay, the difference is The Sims is life, or what passes for life in the game. SimCity is larger than life.

You do what the Sims do in The Sims everyday, except faster, more efficient, more detailed, and in more sophisticated ways. I mean, I don't take five minutes to pee.

	04-12-2002 17:01									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Anun Ik Oba ADG: did you really say "proberbly"? :O

I might have used the wrong word, I always forgets which one is which (of proberbly and properly, and if there exists more words, that I have forgotten, that looks like...)

	04-12-2002 17:04									#42
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Don't worry.....I know native english speakers that say "supposably". Drives me nuts.

	04-12-2002 17:07									#43
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Hehe

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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike Don't worry.....I know native english speakers that say "supposably". Drives me nuts.

That's nothing, my step-dad pronounces Automatic "ADA-matic".

	04-12-2002 21:37									#45
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And there's an 'i' in alumin*i*um!

Back on topic before this degrades further:

So, we're all agreed that Sim games are generally (though not always) for non-serious gamers right? The sort of game your parents (who have just dragged themselves into the computer age) play is The Sims.

	04-12-2002 22:54									#46
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quote: Originally posted by 123john321 To tell you the truth... I only like SimCity, The Sims is a socal game (and I'm a loner and prond of it!) and the rest of the game suck! (And I should know, I played them all, the WROST was Sim Ant!)

I liked SimAnt...

Though The Sims suck...

quote: Originally posted by Juggler I don't like simtower and other similar sim-experiments. SimCity is an exception.

While strange... I liked that one too...

quote: Originally posted by DrSpike But since that is the most notable feature of both games you have to class them as similar. This is why I cannot understand people drawing a line between The Sims and Sim City.

The thing is... in SimCity you're controlling an aggregate open-endedness... while in The Sims your micromanaging... those things, while looking similar are quite different. It's why I like SimTower, SimCity, and not The Sims... SimAnt actually had a goal...

quote: To move the debate on though; I would say generally it is non-serious gamers who like the sim games. Most serious gamers prefer more demanding games with goals, but sim games appeal to more occasional gamers. The widespread success of the sims is indicative of this. Discuss.

Can't argue there... though I have seen some pretty heavy role-players get lost in the Sims and found it funny when two people I knew played it on their computers, going back and forth, each dating each other both IRL and on-screen... just a little disturbing...

quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Okay, the difference is The Sims is life, or what passes for life in the game. SimCity is larger than life. You do what the Sims do in The Sims everyday, except faster, more efficient, more detailed, and in more sophisticated ways. I mean, I don't take five minutes to pee.

Is that how long it takes those little people?

quote: Originally posted by DrSpike And there's an 'i' in alumin*i*um! Back on topic before this degrades further: So, we're all agreed that Sim games are generally (though not always) for non-serious gamers right? The sort of game your parents (who have just dragged themselves into the computer age) play is The Sims.

The part about parents being drug in and playing The Sims being non-serious gamers, most likely... maybe somebody should conduct a poll...

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quote: Originally posted by Asher I'm essentially a venture capitalist in the game now. I've got tons of money so I loan other people money to go start up businesses.

Figures.

	05-12-2002 08:51									#48
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the sims was slow, so that was agitating, and besides there wasn't a sense of accomplishment..which seems to be something i need in a game

	05-12-2002 14:15									#49
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That's because you're a serious gamer.......I feel the same way....it's all beginning to make sense now.

	05-12-2002 17:17									#50
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Okay, the difference is The Sims is life, or what passes for life in the game. SimCity is larger than life. You do what the Sims do in The Sims everyday, except faster, more efficient, more detailed, and in more sophisticated ways. I mean, I don't take five minutes to pee.

Only 5 minutes? It's more like 30 minutes in gameplay...IF they're fast...

	05-12-2002 17:26									#51
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quote: Originally posted by War4ever the sims was slow, so that was agitating, and besides there wasn't a sense of accomplishment..which seems to be something i need in a game

I agree with the sims, no sense of accomplisment, but I do get than when I build a Metorplolos! (Yes, I suck a spelling!)

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quote: Originally posted by 123john321 I agree with the sims, no sense of accomplisment, but I do get than when I build a Metorplolos! (Yes, I suck a spelling!)

That's okay, I adamaticly supposably feel the same way.

	05-12-2002 20:35									#53
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Did you use aluminum?

	05-12-2002 22:35									#54
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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike Did you use aluminum?

I consider myself a serious gamer... however I still enjoy SimCity...

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Oxymoron.

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	05-12-2002 23:04									#57
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I gave you a chance there to say "I am not an oxymoron".

	05-12-2002 23:12									#58
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True, but I've found I'm generally an exception to the rule...

Could we define "Serious" and "non-serious" gamers by genre, type, and goals (or lack of goals) available? I'm in need of clarification.

	05-12-2002 23:57									#59
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I'd say:

Serious gamers often plays games in the same genre (Which is everybody else I know)
Non-serious gamers plays many different types of genres (Which is me)

	06-12-2002 00:04									#60
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Multiple genres? That's kind of crummy...

I'm a RPGer (Squaresoft buyer).

Mega Man fan.

Street Fighter.

Strategy (Civ genre, not StarCraft genre)

Racer (SpyHunter and Mario Kart varieties.)

Pilot (Star Fox, want Jedi Starfighter)

Simer (SimCity style, not "The Sims" style)

etc. etc. etc.

Under those terms, I'm a non-serious gamer...