05-12-2002 08:20									#31
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I urge to you all: no comments on beef ! no comment on hill,and I think it is ok to talk about Tundra squid!
For the sake of security!

	05-12-2002 09:07									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Nuclear Winter I urge to you all: no comments on beef ! no comment on hill,and I think it is ok to talk about Tundra squid! For the sake of security!

Actually, Togas cleared me to talk about cows and beef, but I decided it wasn't really needed in that post about the founding of Madrid and I didn't include it. I'd ask that others refrain from talking about beef and cows unless Togas authorizes it, however. Same goes for hills and even that we're near the ocean (though the squid stuff may give a hint of that...).

We talk about the river freely, of course, since that's already been plastered about

	06-12-2002 19:36									#33
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As people seem to have started to trust our inocence on the Annals of madrid topic on the public forum (they seem to think we have no or few ambitions about wining the game!), we should start and poison them with fake info about us and starting positions, all well mixed with bits of real information to make it more acurate. Arnelos, why donīt you post something as a member creating an Ice cream factory, or telling them about seņor rubi maserīs cacti plantation? That could make īemthink we are somewhere we arenīt. Also, maybe you could tell about someone wandering on vast grasslands and plains, and keeping secrecy about our hills. Also, I see that History guy must not say he went into the mountains for wandering, but instead into the desert...

	06-12-2002 19:57									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Nuclear Winter Arnelos, why donīt you post something as a member creating an Ice cream factory, or telling them about seņor rubi maserīs cacti plantation?

For that plug, I'm giving you a case of my finest cacti, Seņor Winterius

Afterall, it would not be a complete fabrication, we have several desert tiles near our city. I think disinformation concerning our local terrain is a great idea

	06-12-2002 20:31									#35
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Say I invented ice cream, and its all the rage nowadays. Announce I'm selling it through my shop, but anyway ice cream spoilt by a strange black liquid is not my responsibility. Yes, this sort of roleplaying disinformation is a great idea.

	06-12-2002 20:56									#36
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The distractions and disinformation are working quite well already.

	07-12-2002 00:40									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Nuclear Winter Arnelos, why donīt you post something as a member creating an Ice cream factory, or telling them about seņor rubi maserīs cacti plantation? That could make īemthink we are somewhere we arenīt. Also, maybe you could tell about someone wandering on vast grasslands and plains, and keeping secrecy about our hills. Also, I see that History guy must not say he went into the mountains for wandering, but instead into the desert...

The only problem with doing this is that they will know eventually that we were lieing to them. When they finally look at our map and see that we have no desserts or ice nearby our starting location, they'll be able to call us on the lies we've been spreading and we'll lose their trust.

If we're going to lie, we need to lie about things they CANNOT disprove.

We need to work hard now to present ourselves as trustworthy, straightforward, and fun-loving. It's perfectly OK for bits of truth to be given to the other teams about us, especially when they will later be able to verify that we were telling them the truth.

--Togas

	07-12-2002 00:48									#38
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True, maybe its better to play dumb, like we don't know yet, or you're unsure because you haven't seen the latest maps, then to lie about something they can catch you on later. Or your too involved in the latest heresy trial or festival.

	07-12-2002 07:19									#39
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Right...
So if I'm gonna post a public travel-memoire after my expedition,
I will post it here first so you can check that I don't give away vital information about our exterior.
A doublecheck is always nice.

I guess I will just try to make up an amusing RP story then...
- what happened, what we did, people we met, stange food and rituals, etc.

	07-12-2002 10:07									#40
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quote: Originally posted by ThePlagueRat I guess I will just try to make up an amusing RP story then... - what happened, what we did, people we met, stange food and rituals, etc.

OOC

Yes, talk about the strange peoples we encountered:

0. The people who introduced us to some basic food in Spanish cuisine
1. The people with only one foot who got around by hopping about
2. The people who worshipped the tomato (they could be the same people as #0)
3. The people whose gods were named Uhhhh and Ummmm
4. The people who dressed in cloth from head to foot in public and covered their faces but left their buttocks completely uncovered in order that the noise of foolishness [i.e. talking] would be kept silent but the noise of wisdom be dispensed freely
5. The people with a giant bronze gong as big as a house which they bwanged twice a day, every day a) once when it was time for the tribe to wake up, and b) rhythmicallywhen it was time for the tribe to go to their Lovers’ Beach and make little tribesmen

the more bizarre and ludicrous and just plain silly the better!

	07-12-2002 10:08									#41
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What do you think on this, me going there and posting a story like the Squidīs saga: making me travel long into the sandy plains to look for the so afamed desert squid, to help us save madrid from the greatest squid crisis ever...
We have plains (some) and we have deserts... but this shall mislead them into thinking that we are far from anything resembling a hill... post here if you approve it.

	07-12-2002 14:50									#42
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I guess you can make a squid story if you wish to.
Uh, I would have written about something else than squid.
(but that's just me)


Well, I don't care much what they think might think about
our terrain. At least, they should not suspect anything about
our prod.capabilities before we build numerous
great wonders fast.


Now, they already know we got a river!
(if they are bright enough to tell,
through the river throwing post out there )
Ok, no big damage I guess. Just terrain issues.
Leaking an attack plan would be far more fatal...

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	07-12-2002 15:10									#43
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Well, they may be able to tell from what we've posted, but who's to say we're telling the truth?

	07-12-2002 23:22									#44
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Good ideas, all of them. We must bewilder and mystify always. They must be given conflicting reports on terrain, and on everything, so that they are so confused about these matters that they can gather absolutely nothing.

	08-12-2002 00:42									#45
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Iīm waiting my most high lord togas permission to post the desert squid saga

	08-12-2002 02:07									#46
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Remember some terms, Nuclearius, historical terms:

1) Bounty Hunter. These guys go after the squid with a passion.
2) Squid Wrangler. These guys leap right onto the squid and wrestle it to the ground.

Above all, remember that the secret of our success will be to mystify and mislead them in all things.

Hernan II

	08-12-2002 02:29									#47
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I don't want us to outright lie to them about our terrain. If you want to say that you crossed a long desert to come to Madrid and eat squid, you're welcome to. But don't tell them that Madrid is in the desert or surrounded by desert or jungle or whatnot because, in the end, they will find out that we're lieing to them and everything else we've told them will be questioned.

We want to tell them bits of truth. They'll be skeptical anyhow. When they finally verify it (and they will eventually) and see that we ARE next to a river with waterfalls and cattle and so forth, they'll think we've always been trustworthy with them and reinforce their naive faith in us.

Furthermore, I was the first to post a pledge in the forum that we would not break the rules, cheat, mislead them, etc, etc, and I'd like for us to keep up that image.

You can tell that they do not trust each other. We want them to continue that trend. However, they are starting to trust us and enjoy our tales and get into our world. We could become their favorite storytellers and be more entertaining than their own civ. They'd most certainly want to keep us around AND they'd most certainly want to become involved in our stories too!

I'm sure they'll get a kick out of hearing us write about meeting them and speaking well of them in our propoganda thread "Stories from Madrid."

--Togas

	08-12-2002 02:51									#48
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Sir, I report that I am personally corresponding with the Arabian Caliph Borc. I shall report on any useful findings.

	08-12-2002 02:51									#49
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another thing to keep in mind is that if we are in the F11 screen as one of the top 5 cities (are we?) they will be able to tell from our population changes that we did not have poor start. As soon as we get the wheat bonus irrigated, we will have growth every 5 turns provided we stay small due to settler and worker output.

	08-12-2002 03:32									#50
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Indeed ruby...

And when Madrid is vomiting out wonders hopefully on less than a 20 turn rate, every lie would be revealed.

When shít hits the fan, our liars will soon be remembered and "honoured" with his own public stakeburning thread, made by our ruthless adversaries.
(or something like that)

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	08-12-2002 05:02									#51
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True. We must maintain an air of placidity and weakness, but at the same time conceal great power.

	08-12-2002 06:03									#52
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I suggest the opposite, we make īem think we are weak and dumb, we hide our soldires when they are about to get a free sneak peek of our city, then they think we are weak and then we get īem unprepared!

	08-12-2002 06:12									#53
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Quite.

Sir, I also seen a Private Messenger to you. Please open the door for the poor guy.