03-12-2002 00:34									#1
	Ambassadors Support Apolyton

I have created this thread to discuss who might serve our people as ambassadors, and for us to discuss ambassadors from the other tribes that have come in contact with us.

Please feel free to not only volunteer in this thread, but to also let us all know what you know about what the other tribes' ambassadors are up to.

--Togas

Added:

Gathering Storm: (Meshelic) -- Godking
Neu Demoglyptia: (Borc?) -- History Guy
Glory of War: (Panzer32) -- adaMada
Lux Invicta: ( AdmiralPJ ) -- jdjdjd
Legoland: ( Nimitz ) -- Thud
Vox Controli: ( ) -- Nuclear Winter

Last edited by Togas on 04-12-2002 at 13:11

	03-12-2002 00:45									#2
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I volunteer, for whomever our wise leader chooses for me to act with.

In regards to the other tribes, as in the immortal words of Sargent Shultz, "I know nothing, nothing!", however, if anything changes I will gladly provide such info.

	03-12-2002 02:50									#3
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I volunteer for any ambassadorial position our glorious leader would have me serve in, as long as he thinks my ailment* won't be an undue burdon upon the job. (If he does believe so, I'd humbly volunteer for a minor position as assistant to an ambassador, should any be required).


EDIT: Leaving this like it is, but I got my teams wrong . Meshelic and Rising Storm aren't mercs; Panzer and Glory of War are. My mistake -- better sort out the other team's diplomats now .

The only ambassador who I can remember off the bat is Meshelic (Rising Storm) -- I'll go and try to figure out who the other ambassadors are later). Cultivating a good relationship with Meshelic's team could be an essential part of our early strategy. Though they are mercenaries, they will obviously work for their own interests; by convincing them that we are valuable allies, we may secure ourselves from their threat, or perhaps even use them in the future. If we decide to take a route of alliance, I'd make a bold suggestion -- give them a (small) gift earlyish in the game (seemingly at random, without any announcement or forewarning). Though it need not be much, if we can either A) befriend them and become allies, or B) convince them that we will ultimately serve their needs, and (as such) are too valuable to attack. Of course, any such proposition carries high risk -- that we may be seen as little more than their vassal, that they may take advantage of us, or that they may see it as a sign of our weakness -- but I believe we'll benefit from strong early ties with one of the military civilizations, and a small 'token of friendship' (early enough in the game that it not matter in the long run) might go a long way in that regard. I do not mean that I'd unconditionally support such an action, or that I'd even be in support of it -- the idea has just come to me, and I feel it needs more consideration before I state my support either way -- but I believe it to be an interesting proposal, worthy of discussion.

NOTE: Looking back on this suggestion, it might be a suitable plan for any of the militaristic civilizations -- but it is especially well-suited to Rising Storm due to their mercenary nature.

Either way, I would suggest that we find some way of trying to make ourselves valuable to rising storm, as I imagine that they could be a very dangerous force should we ever find ourselves in a close war.

-- adaMada

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	03-12-2002 03:21									#4
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As with Senor Adamada, if the ailment which we share is not so much of a problem in this, I should also gladly put forth my name for any such assignment.

	03-12-2002 03:54									#5
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I lack this ailment they speak of but I would gladly serve in such a capacity if only to be useful.

Alas, I've not cultivated any pseudo-friendships that I can speak of with our neighboring punching bags, but let me say this:

I bet you could get a pretty good look at a t-bone steak by sticking your head up a cow's A**, but would't you prefer to take the butcher's word for it?

Spoken like a true diplomat! Now, I don't know what that phrase means any more than you do, but that's what is so freakin' cool about it

	03-12-2002 05:11									#6
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I´d like to purpose my sonfor the embassie of vox controlli. No, not my first son, but Henrique Winterius, my second son. He has been cultivating some friendships among two of theyr members, and alos with a member of gathering storm, so I believe he would be fit for the task?
Also, I was able to incut him with an aura of politeness, but inside him he want us to triumph more than anything, so he would be a loyal assert to Our Leader, if I might add.

	03-12-2002 05:30									#7
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I could serve as an ambassador, doesn't GREATLY matter which other tribe I would be so to. I'd enjoy being ambassador to Legoland, but I assume that most of us would enjoy that I may not be the best to serve as an ambassador to Glory of War, but otherwise I think I'd be useful to any civ. Not really all that concerned about it yet

	03-12-2002 06:11									#8
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I might also, if you need me. Depending on which team you need to fill the spot with.

	03-12-2002 06:24									#9
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I, Thud Quixote III, following in the footsteps of my ancestors, would enjoy conversing with fellow inventors from the Land of Lego, or indeed any other civilization which I could sell my inventions, military and otherwise, to. I volunteer for this honourable posting within our tribe.

	03-12-2002 07:58									#10
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If Togas wants to kick someone upstairs he can always appoint them Ambassador to GoW.

	03-12-2002 08:30									#11
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quote: Originally posted by pikesfan If Togas wants to kick someone upstairs he can always appoint them Ambassador to GoW.

	03-12-2002 22:32									#12
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After much thought I have decided that we cannot afford to ignore the other teams at this stage in the game, even if we have not officially met them.

I will send notices to each team who has sent us an ambassador notifying them that we wish to open communications, and I will inform each team who their contact is as each official ambassador is confirmed.

I cannot stress enough how important the ambassador job is. You will be the face of our civilization, our direct representative. Your creativity, good nature, ambitiousness, and guile could make or break our civilization. This job must be taken very seriously.

So far Thud has volunteered to represent us to Legoland, and Nuclear Winter has volunteered to represent us to Vox Controli. I have 6 other possible people for 4 other civs. There may be more.

Godking, adaMada, History Guy, Ruby Maser, Arnelos, and jdjdjd, please repost to this thread with your preferences.

If anyone else wishes to serve in this vital role, please post your preferences.

Recommendations and nominations will also be considered.

--Togas

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	04-12-2002 01:43									#14
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Togas,
I'll take any team -- I'm more interested in the job than the civilization. Having said that, of the ones that are still available, Glory of War would be the most interesting, since I know one of the ambassadors well (though not their ambassador to us I'm afraid), and I'd be very interested in developing strategies for dealing with their unique merc. nature . Having said that, I'd be nearly as interested in the other teams -- I know Meshelic well, who'll be representing Gathering Storm to us -- so I'm rather ambivilant; other people's prefrences should come before mine .

On a totally unrelated note -- has anyone else noticed that Soren Johnson (AI programmer of Civ3 for any who don't know!) appears to be a member of Gathering Storm? That could be very interesting -- though if he does play actively, I don't envy us, since I'm sure he can answer a lot of gameplay mechanics questions we couldn't even come close to knowing .

-- adaMada

	04-12-2002 02:26									#15
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Continuing general discussion on the other team's ambassadors, as our glorious leader instructed us to . I had a long discussion with some of the ambassadors from the other teams last night. Posting what I remember about other team's structures. (I'll check my logs later, see if I can't find some more information).

Gathering Storm: (Meshelic). Mes is the Gathering Storm FAM. All the other teams (besides us) have ambassadors who answer to him, but he directly serves us. Basically, we've got a hotline to the boss .

Glory of War: (Panzer32). Panzer is covering three teams, including us. UnOrtHOdOx is covering the other three.

Neu Demoglyptia: (Borc?). For all it's worth, it seems that most of the other teams are appointing ambassadors who speek German. I don't know if we have anyone who speeks German, and I'm sure they'll try to find an english speeking person for us if we need them to, but thought I'd point it out .

In general, the other Foreign Ministers/Ambassadors seem ready to go . Though it's just a hunch, I think we might be able to exploit it a bit -- I believe ALL the representatives want to get started with Human diplomacy, so we might be able to sneek an early deal by (that might not make it through later in the game) on the novelty (and the general desire to start diplomatic interactions). Just a thought -- I've no clue if it'll work

Will post more as I learn/remember/think of it .

-- adaMada

	04-12-2002 02:34									#16
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adaMada, et al,

Here's what very little I've been able to dig up on who's a rep to whom (counting what you just shared):

LEADERS, FAMS, and AMBASSADORS:

Gathering Storm:
Leader: notyoueither
FAM: Meshelic
DeepO (to Legoland)

Neu Demogyptica:
Leader: Borc

Glory of War:
Leader: GhengisFarb
Panzer32 (covering 3 teams, including Roleplay)
UnOrthOdOx (covering the other 3 teams)

From Roleplay:
Leader: Togas
Thud (to Legoland)
Nuclear Winter (to Vox Controli)

Vox Controli:
Leader: Jon Miller

Lux Invicta:
Leader: Trip
FAM: Admiral PJ

Legoland:
Leader: jack_www
Nimitz (to Roleplay)
quantum_mechani (to Gathering Storm)
ZargonX (to Glory of War)

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If you or others have additional info, it would be good to compile a complete list.

	04-12-2002 02:38									#17
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Togas,

Here's a preference list for me (highest preference to lowest, though it doesn't really matter all that much):

1. Gathering Storm
2. Lux Invicta
3. Neu Demogyptica (I have very limited skill with German - currently taking 4th semester German, however)
4. Glory of War

	04-12-2002 02:51									#18
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Can you elaborate on the duties? or is it limited to contacting them and being nice, and then actually discussing possible trades as we find them in the game. does it include other types of trade too, like we did with legoland?

I guess it does not matter.....

Oh, will it gt a poor humble servant like me some property? a title?
Bishop jdjdjd sounds nice.

I am indifferent as to whom I represent, I do not know Meshelic, Borc or Panzer, other than by name. I know Trip, though, he's not their ambassador.

Or, you can give me the last one not taken, if others do not take all of them.

	04-12-2002 03:31									#19
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I would prefer gathering storm as I know Mesh, and Lego as I know many people on their team, followed by GOW as I know also many on their team. However, I have no strong preference, so simply place me where you need me.

Also, I think you already gave me a title, and I must say that I am keeping it rather clean, despite having to do it so many times in a day. Please, lay off the beans for a while, will ya.

	04-12-2002 04:54									#20
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with so many wanting to be ambassador and not enough positions, I will defer to others. I haven't the contacts yet or any particular preference enough to intercede.

However, if our future ambassadors would have any need for assistants, I would be happy to be of service.

	04-12-2002 05:00									#21
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I also volunteer.
Due to my converations with a lots of foreigners, there was some discussion about me being some sort of a spy.
Well, no... don't think so. I would rather be an ambassador.
Hmm, for what team? Anyone do fine, I guess.

I've been conversing with most of these other ambassadors out there. They do not seem very suspicious. We have a rather good reputation among them, which I would like to keep that way.

Oh, I know that meshelic wanted to be on our team initially.
He likes roleplay, I know.

	04-12-2002 05:42									#22
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I'm starting to strongly prefer Gathering Storm as my post... but I'll live with any of them.

	04-12-2002 13:10									#23
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Appointments.

After much consideration I have made the following appointments:

Gathering Storm -- Godking (I will truly miss his services, perhaps I should find another to serve as Royal Chamber Pot Cleaner?)

Neu Dem -- History Guy (hope you can speak German!) Perhaps Arnelos can be of some assistance.

Glory of War -- adaMada (is given the difficult task of befriending the mercs)

Lux Invicta -- jdjdjd (I trust his charm and worldly knowledge will impress them ... so long as he isn't burned at the stake for heresey by our High Priest)

Legoland -- Thud (the inventor should fit in well with our Lego allies)

Vox -- Nuclear Winter (at his request as he is the only one on our team who seems to be familiar with them)

All Diplomacy will be overseen by Myself and Arnelos. Minor decisions may be made by you but be warry, if you make a hasty or contradictory decision to the wishes of your despot you will be replaced. We have plenty of interest.

You are to find out as much as you can about your team and report that information to us.

You shall establish contact and maintain contact with the other civ, even if nothing of interest is happening. You may share trivial events and colorful stories about our civ so long as you do not risk our security. If you are unsure what to reveal, please ask.

You will negotiate deals directly that are subject to approval by the despot. You may take your own initiate in this area. You may be as creative as you wish.

You MUST maintain friendly and cordial connections with the other team at all times.

You speak with the authority of the Despot in your messages so be careful of what you say, but be certain in your message and your position. They must know that your word is true.

Your goal is to make your appointed nation our best friend even if we plan to ultimately destroy them. Do not become lax in your representation. Always promptly and politely respond to any message and be sure that urgent messages are dealt with by me in an appropriate time frame.

For now we will have ONE thread to deal with all general diplomacy matters. Whomever wishes to create the thread may do so. We will all speak in the same thread so that we deal with all nations in a similar fashion and that all diplomats may learn from each other.

--Togas

	04-12-2002 17:32									#24
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So it is said, so it shall be done.

I have one question for our Imperious Leader. Is this one thread intended to be a internal thread for debate, or an embassy-type thread on the main forum.

	04-12-2002 19:00									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Togas Gathering Storm -- Godking (I will truly miss his services, perhaps I should find another to serve as Royal Chamber Pot Cleaner?)

No need to do that good despot. I shall continue in my sanitary duties as they shall not interfear with the diplomicy. As a mater of fact, the use of the 'material' may in fact become usefull for my new postion as well.........



GK

	05-12-2002 01:16									#26
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Togas,
Should we post an announcement/embassy thread in the main forum? Are the ambassadors public knowledge, or should we keep the position to ourselves for now?

Arnelos,
Great guide to the other teams! Will continue to read and think about it, and see if I can't add anything .

Thud,
More of a comment than something actually directed at you -- Personally, I'd like to have both .

-- adaMada

	05-12-2002 01:20									#27
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We definately need to have an internal diplomacy thread started. As soon as any of you have something to report, go ahead and start the thread (If I haven't started it already).

On the outside, we should create one thread for all nations to contact us, but all of the ambassadors should also post in the TEAM THREADS that each team uses, and use PMs and other forms of communication to keep in touch.

I expect that all ambassadors will become very fluent in the events of each of your represented nations. Please review all of their threads and posts, and keep up to date on what is going on in the civ.

--Togas

	05-12-2002 01:22									#28
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adaMada,

Not to interrupt His Grace, Togas, but His Other Grace, Arnelos, did post in the PTW DemoGame Forum the ambassadors to other teams...

Here it is

	05-12-2002 01:33									#29
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jdjdjd,
That's what I get for only checking the team forum and forgetting to check the general one .

Togas,
Ok, thanks . I'll start reviewing my material shortly.

-- adaMada

	05-12-2002 05:14									#30
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I thank you sir for the post. What do I need to know in relation to Neu Dem? I trust that German will be a relatively easy language to learn once I get me old dictionary out. I shall report as soon as possible. These Demogyptians shall become our best friends, I am sure. Long live Spain! Santiago!

Hernan de History Guy Calamari
Squid Baron
Ambassador to Germany