24-11-2002 11:24									#1
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Name: Field Marshal Klesh
Date caught: November 24th, 2002
Link: The Struggle for Europe PBEM
Comments: He admits to willingly playing his turns multiple times to guarentee the best results. He can be seen kicking arse all about the Ostfront. Though an evildoer at heart, he promises not to do it again.

	24-11-2002 12:05									#2
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quote: Originally posted by Field Marshal Klesh Name: Field Marshal Klesh Date caught: November 24th, 2002 Link: The Struggle for Europe PBEM Comments: He admits to willingly playing his turns multiple times to guarentee the best results. He can be seen kicking arse all about the Ostfront. Though an evildoer at heart, he promises not to do it again.

I don't actually think this can be classified as cheating; its part of the way a pbem works. Having a day or whatever to play your turn in gives you the chance to try out a number of things to see what will work best, and theres really no way anyone can stop you from doing this. The situation is kind of like in postal chess; theres nothing stopping you from getting out a book on master chess and using it to help; its part of the way the game is played.

The only reason I never do what FMK did is because I'm too lazy to sit and play one turn over and over again to get the best of all possible results

	24-11-2002 17:57									#3
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For God's sake man you didn't have to put yourself on the list, at least for a debatable issue like this. All I meant was that we shouldn't do it from now on, not that anyone that has (apparently a lot more people than I had imagined) is a cheater.

	29-11-2002 05:40									#4
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quote: Originally posted by Case Thunderfall says that he's also a DL of 'The Palladin'. He's now been perma-baned on CFC.

I wonder if the Overlord is someone here..........

Makes you wonder dont it?

	29-11-2002 08:42									#5
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quote: Originally posted by conmcb25 I wonder if the Overlord is someone here.......... Makes you wonder dont it?

Ahh, paranoia. The handmaiden of blacklists.

	29-11-2002 09:29									#6
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Er how do you prove someone cheated in a PBEM game?

	29-11-2002 09:49									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse Er how do you prove someone cheated in a PBEM game?

You get a neutral individual to look at their saves, and check whether everything is normal. If not [ie, cities ar strangely remaining out of disorder, or vast numbers of units are appearing out of nowhere] and the player concerned can't explain themselves, then they're cheating.

quote: Originally posted by techumseh Ahh, paranoia. The handmaiden of blacklists.

I think that it's time for a good old-fashioned witch hunt

	29-11-2002 10:03									#8
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That means that someone could reveal the map or change diplomatic situations between enemies without it being able to be proved.

	29-11-2002 10:25									#9
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Artifically changing diplomatic situations would be extreamly easy to detect.

	29-11-2002 10:29									#10
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What is the point in passwords?

	29-11-2002 10:30									#11
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I was thinking more about the suitcase nuke scenario.

	29-11-2002 11:44									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Choke What is the point in passwords?

They make it harder for people to look at your saves, and prevent honest players from accidently loading your turns (don't laugh - I often load the civ in the same position on the 'chose your civ' list as in the last PBEM game I loaded )

	29-11-2002 12:09									#13
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Oh, ok because it's so easy to bypass them that I wondered.

	29-11-2002 21:41									#14
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Its not really that easy to bypass. It is, but it is also very easy to see when passwords have been bypassed by others.

-FMK.

	30-11-2002 07:09									#15
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Last edited by Choke on 30-11-2002 at 08:07

	30-11-2002 07:53									#16
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If we really want to stamp out cheating, I'd strongly recommend against turning this into a how-to thread.

	30-11-2002 08:06									#17
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Ok, I'll edit the post, I just think it's really hard to prove cheating of many types and anyone with half a brain that wants to cheat will probably get away with it. Which brings me back to my idea of perma-banning cheaters. The harsher the penalty the less likely the crime is to be committed.

	30-11-2002 20:00									#18
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Discuss punishments, how to do it, how to detect it elsewhere. This thread is for posting instances of cheating. There.

	01-12-2002 08:35									#20
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Spare me the cynicism/sarcasm! Please!

	02-12-2002 06:55									#21
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God, I'm out of town for three days and this thread spirals into exactly what I was trying to avoid, thanks folks. I couldn't have been more clear:

quote: No threadjacking please (feel free to make a new thread if you have any comments)

	02-12-2002 08:29									#22
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well no one respects your authority

	02-12-2002 08:51									#23
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I don't have any authority, I just thought it could be a common courtesy on everybody's part.

	03-12-2002 04:41									#24
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I have become unto Mod, Splitter of Threads.

	03-12-2002 04:59									#25
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Yeah Darius, no one respects your authority...kind of like SunTzu at Fanatics

	03-12-2002 06:33									#26
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Thanks a lot St Leo! I just noticed the split now, good work.

Choke: hush now, wanna get banned by accident?

	03-12-2002 08:09									#27
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Does the other half still exist in another thread? I'm scared

	03-12-2002 08:23									#28
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I, for one, don't agree with topping this thread. It's far from the concensus of the community that this is a good idea.

	03-12-2002 08:27									#29
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Yeah, well post on the comments thread.

	03-12-2002 09:02									#30
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If it wasn't topped someone *cough Darius cough* would just post on it to keep it at the top anyway...