17-09-2003 11:05									#181
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I have just received the save and am going to play it. I'd hang out in the chat room, but I can't

	17-09-2003 11:23									#182
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quote: Originally posted by ZargonX I have just received the save and am going to play it. I'd hang out in the chat room, but I can't

Just looked the save over myself. Only minor things. G.B. will have to end NE/NW between the Voxian galleys (damn! that will delay the landing at Bob by a turn ). Merc Twain S-S-SW, of course.

Other than that, I think the turn plan is ok.

	17-09-2003 11:43									#183
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Turn complete. Sending it along to GS now.

	21-09-2003 09:33									#184
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I have the save, but I'm afarid I've been at the bar for most of the evening, so I shoudl probably leave it to Vondrack

	21-09-2003 13:02									#185
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OK, no problem, will play the turn.

I plan to play the turn in about 3-4 hours. I have uploaded it to here, so if anyone wants to have a look, enjoy (and there IS a lot to enjoy! make sure you closely inspect Stormia, looking for saltpeter). One of our saltpeter sources is conveniently located precisely where Castlea is planned, so I do not think we need to adjust our plans for this turn at all. Just send our next settler out of F'ville to Castlea - the road from Jackson should be ready by that time.

Last edited by vondrack on 21-09-2003 at 15:49

	21-09-2003 13:05									#186
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Just for sure, attaching the save to here, too.

Attachment: 260ad_from_vox_controli.sav
This has been downloaded 1 time(s).

	21-09-2003 13:06									#187
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The 1st link:
"Object noy found!
The requested URL was not found on this server."



The 2nd link:
"You are not logged in or you do not have permission to access this page."

	21-09-2003 15:51									#188
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quote: Originally posted by Tiberius The 1st link: "Object noy found! The requested URL was not found on this server." The 2nd link: "You are not logged in or you do not have permission to access this page."

Jesus... no idea, why the second link does not work (works for me), but I have finally found the problem with the first one. Fixed now (there was a doubled "l" in the filename, which I oversought, being in a hurry in the morning).

	21-09-2003 17:23									#189
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I've just downloaded the first one. The 2nd is still not working. Maybe it's the good old attachment bug

	21-09-2003 17:31									#190
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quote: Originally posted by Tiberius I've just downloaded the first one. The 2nd is still not working. Maybe it's the good old attachment bug

That's possible.

I have just posted the chronicle entry, but I will do the pictures before forwarding the save on. Have a look at the moves and let me know, if you find anything subpar.

BTW, the savegame link from the chronicle should also work.

	21-09-2003 18:01									#191
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Oh, I posted in the Next turn thread my observations. Btw, I can't see any new Chronicle entry.

	21-09-2003 19:20									#192
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quote: Originally posted by Tiberius Oh, I posted in the Next turn thread my observations. Btw, I can't see any new Chronicle entry.

I hit "Preview" instead of "Submit"... Sorry.

The only difference against your suggestions would be Logger going for the horse hill instead of a regular hill. I admit it would probably be better (one more commerce) - I had the defense road system in mind when moving him to the inland hill, not fully considering the almost non-existent threat of an invasion there... but I am not going to correct this move. It is a minor thing and I could easily screw something else...

	21-09-2003 19:40									#193
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It was not the only change. I'd have preferred a one turn only 60% research, which would have given us MT in 7, instead of 8 (considering that the Library in Panama will help in the rest of the turns). But this is no big deal, we can do this any other turn. Maybe it won't be necessarry at all, with some of the cities growing in the next turn.

	21-09-2003 20:08									#194
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quote: Originally posted by Tiberius It was not the only change. I'd have preferred a one turn only 60% research, which would have given us MT in 7, instead of 8 (considering that the Library in Panama will help in the rest of the turns). But this is no big deal, we can do this any other turn. Maybe it won't be necessarry at all, with some of the cities growing in the next turn.

We are only 36 beakers short of getting Music Theory in 7 turns at 50%. The library in Panama alone should be enough to get rid of the missing beakers. Plus with all the pop growth... I am sure we will not need to go 60% any turn.

	21-09-2003 20:33									#195
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Btw, I thought that we had agreed to hold the turn for a while - with all due respect to our European contingent - playing the turn at 10 am Eastern didn't give us in North America very much time at all to look at it before sending it on.

The other teams are taking a long time with their turns, so there was no need to only take 11 hours for our turn (twice as fast as most have been recently).

So next time, when we ask to hold the turn , hold it for at least 18 hours so that we all get a chance to look at it and make comments on it.

	21-09-2003 21:30									#196
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quote: Originally posted by Sharpe with all due respect to our European contingent - playing the turn at 10 am Eastern didn't give us in North America very much time at all to look at it before sending it on.

With all due respect to our american contingent - was there anything important to be discussed? Something so important, that the plans for this very turn would have had been changed, something hidden even after 11 hours of sitting on the save ?

quote: The other teams are taking a long time with their turns,

That's irrelevant. All the teams are taking the time necessary for a proper planning. They are at war, so the situation changes every turn. What was so different for us this tun, to justify a longer delay? The location of saltpeter resources? Sure, what should we have done about it?
When we will be at war or will have some truly important decision to take, we will sit on the save 24 hours, be sure about it, regardless of who will play it, americans or europeans.

	21-09-2003 21:32									#197
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quote: Originally posted by Sharpe Btw, I thought that we had agreed to hold the turn for a while - with all due respect to our European contingent - playing the turn at 10 am Eastern didn't give us in North America very much time at all to look at it before sending it on. The other teams are taking a long time with their turns, so there was no need to only take 11 hours for our turn (twice as fast as most have been recently). So next time, when we ask to hold the turn , hold it for at least 18 hours so that we all get a chance to look at it and make comments on it.

Steve, the reason to hold the turn was to discuss the possibility of connecting saltpeter ASAP. As the earliest we can reasonably do it is about 8 turns - which is what we are going to do anyway - there was no need to hold the turn. The saltpeter resources are placed in such a way that we will easily get one within 8 turns - but speeding the connection even by 1-2 turns would require too much of an extra investment, like building a colony or a crappy city (Sandonorico) first, with no real benefit.

Is there anything you would like to see played differently? I was quite confident about no changes were necessary - that was why I went ahead and played the turn.

	21-09-2003 21:38									#198
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The MAJOR REASON for waiting is BECAUSE several members on the team suggested it ! That's good enough of a reason for me...

I wonder how many of us North American players were even awake or on their computer by 10:30 am Eastern/9:30 Central on a Sunday? It is highly unusual that I was already up, normally I wouldn't be on the computer that early.

	21-09-2003 22:04									#199
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quote: Originally posted by Sharpe The MAJOR REASON for waiting is BECAUSE several members on the team suggested it ! That's good enough of a reason for me...

Why did they suggest it? Because there was a possibility our plans posted several days ago would need to be adjusted to accomodate for the locations of saltpeter on Legos Major. However, it turned out that saltpeter appeared in such places that connecting it was not a matter of this or next turn. So, why delay the game uselessly?

Pardon me, but I tend to consider not only the fact that several members suggested holding the turn. I consider also WHY they suggested it. IMO, if the reason for holding the turn is voided, there is no need to hold it, correct? Save for the saltpeter discovery (which turned out to have no immediate effect on our short-term plans - or do you think otherwise?), there was nothing special about this turn. Should we have waited for everybody else to say 'yeah, no changes needed, let's proceed as planned'.

Besides, I did hold the turn for several (6+) hours - I was able to play it in the morning my time (see my response to Zargon's "been at the bar" post). I did not play it, left home, and played the turn only after coming back - and even then, I kept the save to allow others to look at it. Sent the save on only after seeing another team member (Tibi) reviewed it, finding no issues.

Let me ask again: is there anything you would like to see played differently this turn? Because if not, I don't know what's the point of this discussion?

	27-09-2003 17:11									#200
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Got the save, reviewed it - and with the exception of Red Bricks WF (we should not work the gold mountain), there seems to be nothing to change in the plan.

Going to play the turn now (will try to be in the chatroom, too).

	29-09-2003 18:57									#201
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Arrian requested to have the saves sent to him, too.

His email is mishlea at msn dot com.

	02-10-2003 09:50									#202
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The save is with us.

I have just woken up and am leaving in about 15 minutes. Back in about three hours - if nobody else plays the turn by then, I will (~10:00 GMT).

	02-10-2003 09:54									#203
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I have the save as well I'll load it up, and if everything looks in order, play it and pass it along.

	02-10-2003 10:29									#204
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Played through the turn, but there were a few minor issues that popped up, so I'd like others to look at it first.

	02-10-2003 17:55									#205
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quote: Originally posted by ZargonX Played through the turn, but there were a few minor issues that popped up, so I'd like others to look at it first.

There is one thing I believe asks for a small delay. I did not realize LEF2 would be moving onto the mountain that houses one of ND's saltpeters. As they have two workers adjacent to it, there is a fair chance they plan to move them there and start roading it on the next turn.

Fortunately, it's Thursday and the regular alliance chat starts in just few hours (6pm GMT). I'll confirm whether it is ok to move LEF2 as planned (NE onto that saltpeter tile) and play the turn then. If they intend to move their workers there, I will get the clearance to go via a different route.

	02-10-2003 23:15									#206
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OK, got the info - going to play the turn now.

I will be in the chatroom.

EDIT: moves/actions already posted; I am going to hold the save until I am done with the images, so if you happen to be online, have a look and post, if you find anything.

Last edited by vondrack on 03-10-2003 at 00:21

	17-10-2003 16:59									#207
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Save with us. It's a replay of the last turn (280AD), so I am going to replay precisely as posted in the Chronicle and forward onto GS immediately.

	22-10-2003 12:47									#208
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Save with us. I am going to review it and if there is nothing special, I will play the turn. The plan has been up for many days now.

One thing: Aggie (GoW) asked for our lux to be resent. (the trade was cut because of the fake war).

	24-10-2003 15:36									#209
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I have recently received several PMs from GS members, asking me to send the PtWDG save to them, too. Just to make sure they get it even if it is not me playing our turn, I am including the full list of GS members to be sent the save here (replace the commas with @s):

notyoueither ... notyoueither, hotmail.com
Sir Ralph ... sirralph, gmx.com
Shiber ... barak_12, bezeqint.net
nbarclay ... nbarclay, hiwaay.net
Arrian ... mishlea, msn.com
Theseus ... richard, podos.net
asleepathewheel ... smichaelclark, hotmail.com
Cort Haus ... ashd, blueyonder.co.uk
Tall Stranger ... tallstranger1970, yahoo.com
OPD ... O.Dwyer, blueyonder.co.uk
vmxa1 ... vmxa, sbcglobal.net

Last edited by vondrack on 11-12-2003 at 04:36

	24-10-2003 16:07									#210
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Can I send them all a virus?