18-02-2003 23:26									#61
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Such a shame... and they lasted so long!
At least we have an alternative - Markos's uploads feature. Hurray!

	18-02-2003 23:33									#62
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Yeah, I was thinking on the upload feature. Would it be possible if we top one head, "current information" (again ), in where one member posts a few images like the screenshot, F11, power, F1 with some cryptic names. After that, uploading each turn the newest images with the same name should keep the post in the thread up to date, and if certain images don't change, the last one is still valid and displayed.

The only problem is that it's one step more to do for the players, or somebody should come forward and volunteer to upload these pictures each turn to his account. We can't really change the uploaders, or we have to edit the post each time.

It's not exactly a chronicle, but.... oh Alva? Feeling interested?

DeepO

	19-02-2003 00:51									#63
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quote: It's not exactly a chronicle, but.... oh Alva? Feeling interested?

Do I have to everything aroud here...

	19-02-2003 01:10									#64
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I wouldn't mind doing it.

	19-02-2003 17:28									#65
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Shiber, go right ahead! I saw you started in the turn threads, but doing so will mean you'll have to update the names all the time, or repost the links... maybe a topped thread is better for this.

DeepO

	19-02-2003 19:09									#66
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I was actually expecting that someone starts a designated thread and copies the URLs of the images from the thread where I originally posted them.
In any case, I may open such a thread myself later today if I find the time. If not, I'll do it tomorrow.

	19-02-2003 23:28									#67
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oh, while I'm at it, could you include me in these mailings as well... I'm beginning to have a hard time visualizing what you are talking about...

sjohnson (at) firaxis.com

	20-02-2003 00:03									#68
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Soren, you can find the up-to-date screenshots in the GS common mailbox (see page 1 of this thread). Soon we shall switch to uploading and posting the shots in the forum.

	20-02-2003 00:06									#69
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I think he's at least as interested in the city and defense plans that have been circulating... but those should be in our e-mail box as well.

DeepO

	20-02-2003 04:43									#70
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quote: Originally posted by Shiber Soren, you can find the up-to-date screenshots in the GS common mailbox (see page 1 of this thread). Soon we shall switch to uploading and posting the shots in the forum.

what were people posting their e-mails for?

	20-02-2003 05:06									#71
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We have a mailing list which we use, the gatheringstorm address is just as backup and for those not listed. At least at my side you're included, but Sir Ralph and Nathan should include you in their lists if you want to receive all turn screenies.

DeepO

	20-02-2003 06:07									#72
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quote: Originally posted by DeepO We have a mailing list which we use, the gatheringstorm address is just as backup and for those not listed. At least at my side you're included, but Sir Ralph and Nathan should include you in their lists if you want to receive all turn screenies. DeepO

yeah, I'd like to get the screenshots if possible... thanks.

	20-02-2003 07:54									#73
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Amy, my fiancee, says: "I bet you wo-ooould."

(she's from Alabama)

Soren, we've got a situation here.

Participation in GS vs. Firaxis vs. both.

We are pretty creative people, and (speaking for the team, unauthorized) can see our way toward a win-win-win situation.

Any ideas?

Everyone contribute, please.

	20-02-2003 09:06									#74
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quote: Originally posted by Theseus Amy, my fiancee, says: "I bet you wo-ooould." (she's from Alabama) Soren, we've got a situation here. Participation in GS vs. Firaxis vs. both. We are pretty creative people, and (speaking for the team, unauthorized) can see our way toward a win-win-win situation. Any ideas? Everyone contribute, please.

hey, it's up to you guys... my current interest simply stems from paying a little more attention to how your democratic process works as we are starting up one of your own. So it is mostly just a request of convenience. Believe me, we hold out little hope of outminmaxing you guys...

at any rate, if you are uncomfortable with me being here, it would seem like you would be more concerned about me reading this forum (which has more strategic-level content) than viewing screenshots (which have mostly game-specific content).

	20-02-2003 09:10									#75
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Gathering Storm is not very democratic...we mostly just debate everything to hell and post polls to spice things up. I'm still not quite sure how decisions are made.


Dominae

	20-02-2003 12:38									#76
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To be honest, I can't see what harm Soren viewing this forum could do.
Sure you guys talk a lot of strategy stuff here, but most of it is highly specific to this game (which is irrelevant for the Intersite game) and the rest of it is largely similar to the things you've been saying in the Strat forum for a year now - I don't think it's exactly top-secret stuff.

And also, aren't we going to be posing screenshots in the forum now, and not e-mailing them? It seems odd to duplicate the process and screenshot thread in this forum would help keep everything all in one place.

	20-02-2003 13:00									#77
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Soren can stay as long as he wants. That's my POV.

It's not like we are going to discuss that other game's specifics here.

	20-02-2003 14:08									#78
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither Soren can stay as long as he wants. That's my POV.

Fully agreed. After all, if it weren't for him and his fellow Firaxians, we wouldn't even be here.

	20-02-2003 14:35									#79
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Of course, Soren is very welcome here . We have our own Intersite forum to discuss "confidental" matters. And I will include Soren in the screenshot mailing list from next turn on. Nathan should do the same (if not already done).

I will remove the GS mailbox from the mailing list in March. It has served us well, but the new volume and traffic limit makes it useless. Perhaps we can keep it as reserve, or even drop it completely.

	20-02-2003 14:53									#80
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In regard to how our team is governed, there seem to be four basic elements:

1) People who take the time to post (and push) proposals tend to set the agenda for what gets discussed.

2) We have discussions and votes on broad policy matters (e.g. how to balance REXing, military, and wonder building). Ideally, we seek a consensus that most people like or at least don't object to too strongly rather than having the majority simply steamroll over the minority.

3) I tend to run the day-to-day economic matters more or less myself, in accordance with the policies we've set. In theory, people are always welcome to suggest alternatives to the moves I post in the turn threads, but in practice, people generally seem content to let me do the dirty work. (Which is fine with me since I happen to like the economic aspect of the game.)

4) When an urgent decision is needed, it's generally made by a consensus (or a majority if no consensus can be reached) of whoever happens to be around when the decision needs to be made.

I'm not sure what a government major would think of such a system, but it seems to work fairly well for us. Granted, people who want to have influence in setting the agenda, rather than just in voting on the agenda once it's set, have to put forth the time and effort to present and argue their positions. But I view that far more as a strength than as a weakness because it helps ensure that a good bit of thought will go into major policy decisions.

Nathan

	20-02-2003 14:55									#81
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What we may want to do is use it for special stuff like city placement proposals but not send regular stuff like screenshots to it anymore.

	20-02-2003 17:04									#82
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither Soren can stay as long as he wants. That's my POV. It's not like we are going to discuss that other game's specifics here.

couldn't agree more

	20-02-2003 17:05									#83
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Re: e-mailing screenies, or posting them: I'd rather still receive them by e-mail. The bandwidth is not a problem, and I don't forget to save them if I receive them by mail. Also, if you are present, you always immediately know when a turn is played, and don't need to wait until the board gets updated.

Re: Soren: Of course he's still welcome here, I don't see any problems with him lurking in this forum. We should maybe look out that we don't discuss IDG strat in here, but why would we do that, we've got a separate forum for that.
And I like it very much that Firaxis as a team has joined the IDG; I doubt that they are going to put as much discussion in it as the apolyton team does, and even with superiour background knowledge, outminmaxing us (nice term, BTW!) is unlikely. Most importantly, Firaxis keeps in touch with the game, and is more directly involved in the problems or wishes of the MP community, so every help we can deliver will be gladly given.

DeepO

	15-04-2003 15:43									#84
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Could I be added to the distribution list please. Current email address is psatastdotleedsdotacdotuk (I'm no longer in Heidelberg, but haven't got around to updating my profile yet)

	15-04-2003 15:50									#85
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Ah, you're at University in Leeds. Are you from Germany originally?

I was in Heidelburg last summer, nice town.

	15-04-2003 16:04									#86
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Well spotted that FrustratedPoet. No, I'm not from Germany - I just worked there for a few years in Heidelberg, which is a great place to live, and I have to say that I really miss German kebabs - they're so edible that I'd voluntarily eat them sober, and enjoy them. Not like British ones at all

Were you there for a holiday? I've lost track of how many times I've had to do the tourist sites with friends who came to visit from the UK, so although the castle is worth a visit, the idea of going into it now fills me with dread .

	15-04-2003 16:11									#87
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Yeah, I went there with my g/f as part of a month-long trip through Germany and eastern europe. We only stayed a couple of nights - stayed in the Youth Hostel next to the zoo and were woken up by elephants and monkeys at god-knows-what o'clock each morning.

As it so happens we had a very nice kebab in a little turkish place in Heidelburg - it was a real eye-opener after the muck we get here.

	24-04-2003 05:05									#88
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Please add me: rgrant@zoo.uvm.edu (it's a little late for me to start worrying about security)

	24-04-2003 07:00									#89
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Vulture and Randolph are now on my distribution list, assuming I have the information entered correctly. Let me know if you don't start getting the screenshots.

	05-06-2003 00:45									#90
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Could I please get back on the list as well?

a underscore petryk at hotmail dot com

Thanks.


Dominae