10-12-2002 21:42									#91
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And on to Alva.

	10-12-2002 22:38									#92
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3550 BC to alexman.

It's going smooth, so far... but it seems you guys had better starting positions than me

DeepO

	10-12-2002 22:48									#93
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Wait until my scouts finish bashing your Archers!

Sent to Nathan.

	10-12-2002 22:53									#94
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Ah... archers, I knew I was forgetting something in my build queues...

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	10-12-2002 23:06									#95
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And on to Alva again. I think I smell someone with a luxury hooked up already, although I have no way of knowing who it is.

Nathan

	10-12-2002 23:08									#96
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and back to DeepO,

	10-12-2002 23:08									#97
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So, how do you smell luxuries then? Purely a gutt feeling, or is there some indication I missed?

DeepO

	10-12-2002 23:12									#98
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A complete turn in little over 20 minutes!

DeepO

edit: actually, I need to go back to school, little under 20 minutes even

	10-12-2002 23:12									#99
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I thinks he means the extra point.

	10-12-2002 23:16									#100
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Of who? Those points change whenever someone gets the new save: at first my city was first in the F11 list, even if I settled 1 turn later.

BTW, did I analyse it correctly that you build a temple before anything else?

DeepO

	10-12-2002 23:19									#101
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Back to Nathan! This is almost hotseat!

	10-12-2002 23:24									#102
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On F11, my 50% approval rating just dropped from first place to second. That seemed to indicate that someone either hooked up a luxury or is being wasteful with the luxury slider. (Am I remembering right that temples can't make people happy, just content, even if someone did build one right off the bat? Not that I'd put it completely past F11 for temples to have some effect on approval rating even if they don't affect actual happiness; I've never checked into that.)

Nathan

	10-12-2002 23:26									#103
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no temple here

	10-12-2002 23:28									#104
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Ah... didn't notice that one... thanks!

As to the temples: I don't know... You could be right.

I thought the ranking was purely based on city culture, (it was so in 1.29f), but of course this could have changed in PTW...

DeepO

	10-12-2002 23:29									#105
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X-posted...

If you don't have a temple yet (which I would find extremely early), it means that the F11 ordering is not purely a culture thing anymore... I'm curious what it would be than.

DeepO

	10-12-2002 23:31									#106
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quote: Originally posted by DeepO Of who? Those points change whenever someone gets the new save: at first my city was first in the F11 list, even if I settled 1 turn later. BTW, did I analyse it correctly that you build a temple before anything else? DeepO

Who are you asking about the temple?

	10-12-2002 23:35									#107
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Was it ever pure culture, or just heavily dominated by culture? Right now, we have little enough culture accumulated that any other factors incorporated into the equation could easily play a significant role. But as the game progresses, any significant differences in accumulated culture tend to dwarf other factors.

Nathan

	10-12-2002 23:39									#108
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Nathan, that was a question to Alva, which has answered me in the mean time.

I'm not sure it was always purely culture, but it seemed that way. Of course, in SP games I'm not following from the first few turns on who has the best city neither, I only start to look into that later on. But I got the same feeling with the only SP game I played so far with PTW, it seems to behave differently than it used to. No proofs here, just hunches (but I'll keep an eye out)

DeepO

	10-12-2002 23:42									#109
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to DeepO

	10-12-2002 23:52									#110
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Forward!

Finally, something is happening

DeepO

	11-12-2002 00:04									#111
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Moving, or rather (if you're a settler) running along!

	11-12-2002 00:05									#112
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So... who would you be running from?

DeepO

	11-12-2002 06:08									#113
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	11-12-2002 14:11									#114
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By the way, something seems to have misfired royally in regard to the difficulty level. As you'll notice next time you hit F11, I've grown to size 3. At Monarch, or even at Regent, that ought to give me an unhappy citizen in the absence of any measures to counteract unhappiness (and I have none in place at this particular moment). But instead, all three are content. I have no idea what's going on, but I'll keep you posted as I keep growing. In the meantime, I figured everyone ought to know so you can make any appropriate adjustments to your strategy.

Nathan

	11-12-2002 14:17									#115
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I've heard this now on several occassions. This must be a bug of some kind. It's probably even gone to chieftain.
Something to keep in mind for the Demo-game.

	11-12-2002 14:36									#116
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quote: Originally posted by alva848 I've heard this now on several occassions. This must be a bug of some kind. It's probably even gone to chieftain. Something to keep in mind for the Demo-game.

Wouldn't surprise me if it's at Chieftain. When I first set up PtW on my new computer, I tried experimenting some with hotseat before I ever played a SP game, and it kept setting the game up as Chieftain instead of Emperor. (Not worth playing when I'm running the two human civs myself and counting on the AIs for challenge.) But the problem went away after I set up a SP game to see if the problem showed up there and then went back to hotseat. Something's definitely screwy in the MP difficulty level code.

Nathan

	11-12-2002 14:44									#117
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Alva, could you resend last turn? I haven't received it yet. 8 hours should be enough for an e-mail to cross two servers and 40km of cable

DeepO

	11-12-2002 14:52									#118
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ok, doing so now

	11-12-2002 15:10									#119
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Too bad we'll be missing a few hours here, I'm currently at my work.

DeepO

	11-12-2002 23:54									#120
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sent to alexman... who's not terribly pleased at this moment, I guess

DeepO