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Are you ready to start playing AU 202? (Time out:0 days after 05-12-2002, 11:13)
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Welcome to Apolyton University course 202!

In this class we will show how the expansionist trait helps win the game, even on this standard map (Continents, 70% Water, Normal, Temperate, 4 billion, Roaming Barbs). We shall explore the map, control communications, and pop lots of goody huts.

You can play any expansionist Civilization, except for the Iroquois, who are AI-controlled (to avoid the temptation to build MW instead of scouts )

The attached zip file contains three scenarios. A Civ3 1.29f version (sorry, no Mongols, Arabs, or Scandinavians), a PTW 1.14f version, and an AU mod 1.12 version.

As you play, don't forget to submit your solutions, observations, and analysis in the spoiler thread!

WARNING: In PTW, as you browse through the list of scenarios, you can see the minimap for each of them. Cover the minimap before selecting the AU 202 scenario, and keep it covered until you start the game! (Thanks for the solution, Catt!)

May your Pottery serve you well!

PS. Ignore the poll. We are playing now!

Attachment: au 202.zip
This has been downloaded 139 time(s).

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Finals are approaching. What better time..... ?

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Expansionist? Let me know.

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We should do 'pelo with raging hordes to make it challenging

I look forward re-reading Aeson thread and giving this trait an educated try. I'm only 10 minutes into my current game so the timing is almost perfect.

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Is this PTW or regular Civ3 or both?
If I can play it (i.e. regular Civ3), I certainly will!

--Kon--

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I don't have PtW either.

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If you are going to do a stock Civ3 and a PTW version - for AI comparison purposes - then I'll play (still no PTW here ).

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I believe I just cast the 10th "bring it on" vote .

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The game is on its way!
(by the end of the day today)

PS. Three versions: PTW 1.14f, Civ3 1.29f, and AU mod 1.12.

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Can anyone tell me where I can read the changes to AU Mod 1.12? Thanks.

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Can anyone tell me where I can read the changes to AU Mod 1.12? Thanks.


AU Mod 1.12 (PTW version).
Readme is in second and third posts of that thread.

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Thanks Alexman

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I can't find Aeson's Expansionist thread Can somebody give it a

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Jawa: me neither. Anybody know where it went???

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Got Aeson's thread up.

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Put an end to popups!

In PTW, you get to see the mini-map just after loading a scenario, but before starting the game.

Question: Is this annoying enough to everyone so that I should post saved games instead of scenarios? I would probably just choose an expansionist civ at Monarch level. Otherwise with a scenario you can choose any expansionist civ at any level.

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Bah, I don't like either option. If it were up to me I'd go with the Scenario, and close my eyes when the minimap loads up...


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In PTW, you get to see the mini-map just after loading a scenario, but before starting the game.


That's a bad thing if we're trying to play with the advantages of Expansionist. Sure, you don't know the exact details, but you're still losing a lot of the feeling of exploring the map.

- Gus

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If it were up to me I'd go with the Scenario, and close my eyes when the minimap loads up...


I'd do the same. I haven't decided which expansionist civ to play (we get to pick, right?) and I like to play at Emperor. I'll play a scenario if you post it. (And I'll open one of the ptw scenarios first just to see where on the screen the minimap location pops up - voila, easy to cover this portion of the screen for the instant it takes to fire-up AU 102).

Catt

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Eye's closed and Mongol for me.

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Initial post updated! Knock yourselves out!

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I officially claim the English as my civ. I want to make sure Expansionist is the true source of success in my game, not a decent UU or an great second trait (both of which the English arguably lack). I expect kudos if I win this one!

Have a good one all.


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No chance of a MODed v1.29. I'll play it with AU MOD 1.06 otherwise.

Dominae, I was going to lose as the English. It would now be embarrassing when you win!

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Sorry, I didn't know there would be an interest in that. For a 1.29f mod, import the rules from AU mod v1.06.

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Dominae, I was going to lose as the English. It would now be embarrassing when you win!


Nor Me, we won't lose as the English, simply because of that...secret power they have. Shh! Keep it secret and we'll look great when we post our results!

Seriously, I've never tried the English. Should be fun.


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I've won as the English. Just not on a standard map on emperor. But isn't it obvious they're the best civ?

I've implemented the major relevant changes in AU PTW 1.12 to AU mod 1.06 now so I'll use that. Standard versions are boring.

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I've won as the English. Just not on a standard map on emperor.


Play it as a scenario and you can set your own difficulty level! Chieftain or Deity, makes no difference for AU purposes.

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I just dowloaded the zip. I'll play the standard PTW 1.14f version. Arabs or Zulu, this time I think. Probably Arabs since I've played them once in a "training game" just for exploration of PTW gameplay aspects but haven't really "played" them as a civ.

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Catt, stop snubbing the AU mod!

Since I can't really play this one (I had to see the map to place the civs in the same location for each of the three scenarios), I could use your help in evaluating the new changes.

That goes for everyone!

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Ok, maybe I will. But I'm a little behind the curve. I started being one of the few whipping boys to play standard games in an effort to get a comparison of AI performance (since others started with the AI mod version of games before I started the games) -- it's now actually a bit of a learning process since I'm not familiar with some of the basic tweaks everyone else has been playing since v1.01 (or whatever the first version was). I'll spend some time with the Readme so I don't make some silly blunders in the game.

But several of us have got to play a standard version (just to compare AI development, particularly on the "non-human" continent, to continue our exploration on whether the Mod seems to generate "Killer AI's" more frequently than standard rules). A bit off-topic (should probably go in the Mod thread), but I am less interested in a more challenging overall AI, and more interested in seeing one or two Killer AI's created in each game -- i.e., I'm not interested in seeing a rising tide lift all boats; I want a tidal wave to create a couple of monsters that must be dealt with.

Catt

 
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