15-12-2002 05:15									#271
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You misunderstand. I said and meant both ways.
The Ranger's are the worst money managers I've seen.
They are the worst evaluators of talent in young pitching.
And they really made me when they got rid of Palimeiro, and got The Idiot aka Will Clark to play 1st a while.
They have a payroll last year 2nd only to the Yankess, and get nothing in wins.

	15-12-2002 06:12									#272
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Why the hell is the Heisman trophy presentation ceremony so long? Do we really need an hour of human-interest bullshit before we get to the winner? Just give out the damn trophy!

I'm dying to know which player is doomed to having no career in the NFL.

	15-12-2002 06:13									#273
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten I'm dying to know which player is doomed to having no career in the NFL.

Isn't that the truth...

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	15-12-2002 06:15									#274
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It was a rhetorical question, Ming.

	15-12-2002 06:49									#275
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Carson Palmer... let the fun begin

	15-12-2002 06:51									#276
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Carson Palmer wins? What horseshit...

	15-12-2002 06:52									#277
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So much for the east coast media bias

	15-12-2002 06:54									#278
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I can't believe Dorsey finished fifth. The man gets no respect.

Not that I would've voted for him.

	15-12-2002 06:57									#279
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Well... maybe now Dorsey will have a NFL career

	15-12-2002 07:01									#280
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quote: Originally posted by Ming Well... maybe now Dorsey will have a NFL career

Very true. Dorsey's a smart guy, so maybe this was his plan all along. Let McGahee do all the work, avoid the Heisman curse and succeed in the pros. It's genius!

	15-12-2002 07:02									#281
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You know... a plausable theory

	15-12-2002 07:59									#282
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wasn't much of a suprise, Palmer had the whole west, and the two from miami split the south east region, larry johnson took the north east, and banks got the midwest. palmer was just able to steal enough votes from around the rest of the country and since he had no competition on the coast... that's all she wrote

	15-12-2002 08:24									#283
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quote: Originally posted by H Tower wasn't much of a suprise, Palmer had the whole west, and the two from miami split the south east region, larry johnson took the north east, and banks got the midwest. palmer was just able to steal enough votes from around the rest of the country and since he had no competition on the coast... that's all she wrote

Actually, H, Palmer won every voting region except Banks' Midwest, and won by a large margin, which says a lot...

	15-12-2002 09:13									#284
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Congratulations Carson. May you be frugal with that first, big contract cause it will likely be your last, if the following list is any indication:

2001 Eric Crouch Nebraska
2000 Chris Weinke Florida State
1996 Danny Wuerffel Florida
1993 Charlie Ward Florida State
1992 Gino Torretta Miami
1990 Ty Detmer Brigham Young
1989 Andre Ware Houston
1986 Vinny Testaverde Miami
1984 Doug Flutie Boston College
1971 Pat Sullivan Auburn
1970 Jim Plunkett Stanford
1967 Gary Beban UCLA
1966 Steve Spurrier Florida
1964 John Huarte Notre Dame
1963 Roger Staubach Navy
1962 Terry Baker Oregon State
1956 Paul Hornung Notre Dame
1947 John Lujack Notre Dame
1944 Les Horvath Ohio State (Quarterback and halfback)
1943 Angelo Bertelli Notre Dame
1938 Davey O'Brien Texas Christian

I'm not too sure if ANY of the quarterbacks has had a long-term successful career in the NFL, with the exception of Staubach. Andre Ware was drafted by the Detroit Lions a year or two after they drafted Barry Sanders, and with two Heisman winners you would've thought that the team would've gone next level in a year or three... well, I did, anyway.

Plunkett had a pretty good career - 2 Super Bowl rings, and one Super Bowl MVP. Not too bad. But I think he had a really rough start, and 1981 was a comeback year of sorts.

I remember when the Heisman announcement was first broadcast - I think that it was announced at like 5:50pm one Saturday, and CBS just did a live cut-in to the announcement. Then it was a half-hour presentation, then it was a half-hour presentation that started at 7:00pm and so on until today, where we had a TV show that ran on for so long that I actually forgot it was on!

	15-12-2002 12:56									#285
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quote: and the two from miami split the south east region

The two Miami players didn't even get Palmer's total.

I think Palmer will have a VERY good career. He has great mechanics, he is 6'6'' (can see over that line ). At worst he'll be like an Archie Manning, a great QB on a bad team.

quote: I'm not too sure if ANY of the quarterbacks has had a long-term successful career in the NFL, with the exception of Staubach.

What about Davey O'Brien?

	15-12-2002 13:00									#286
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My God, how could I have ever forgotten the legendary exploits of Davey O'Brien?

	16-12-2002 01:51									#287
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Anybody watch the Junction Boys last night. It was pretty darn good. What a brutal way to train

	16-12-2002 01:53									#288
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These days we don't like to see our players die of heat exhaustion .

	16-12-2002 01:57									#289
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Yep... that would NEVER happen in these modern days of enlightenment

	16-12-2002 05:33									#290
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BASEBALL TRADE

After all the talk, the trigger was pulled on a big, 4 team deal:

Oakland gets: Erubiel Durazo (from Ariz)
Arizona gets: Elmer Dessens (from Cincy)
Cincinnati gets: Felipe Lopez (from Toronto)
Toronto gets: a player to be named later from Oakland. (player is frozen on minor league roster)

First glance: OAKLAND GETS ANOTHER STEAL! Durazo is a great 1B, and he will do amazing in that lineup, and all they gave up is a player to be named later!

	16-12-2002 05:47									#291
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how much work has to go into a 4 team deal? sounds really, really complicated

	16-12-2002 07:59									#292
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METS GET RID OF ORDONEZ:

http://espn.go.com/mlb/news/2002/1215/1477403.html

They have to pay a substantial part, but get some players back (Russ Johnson isn't that bad of a backup), and clears room for super-prospect Jose Reyes next year. And Desi Relaford is a better hitter than Ordonez anyway (hard not to be ).

H Tower: Oh yeah... that's gotta be very hard.

	16-12-2002 08:02									#293
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Oh, and I forgot:

ALFONSO SIGNS WITH GIANTS

http://espn.go.com/mlb/news/2002/1215/1477445.html

A logjam at 2nd if the Giants resign Kent. They have Durham, Alfonso, and Kent then. In that situation, Alfonso replaces David Bell (who signed with Philly) at 3rd, Kent is at 2nd, and Durham says he'll play CF.

	16-12-2002 09:52									#294
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I'm just waiting to see if the Cubs can sign Pudge

We've already made our "blockbuster" deal...

	16-12-2002 09:54									#295
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I wonder who's going to get Vlad Guerrero from the Expos.

	16-12-2002 09:58									#296
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I don't think Vlad is going to be traded... at least this offseason. They NEED to have a star so that any prospective buyers (who will move the team) have a reason to bid on the team.

	16-12-2002 10:00									#297
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I thought that the Expos were trying to get rid of him and his salary. That's what I heard at any rate, but I haven't been following the news as closely as I usually do. Damn finals.

	16-12-2002 10:17									#298
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Vlad will stay... but one of the two aces will be gone. It's just a matter of which one

	17-12-2002 15:16									#299
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Great week of football and after realizing that Baltimore is 7-7 and COULD STILL MAKE THE PLAYOFFS, Brian Billick is my coach of the year! That team has the talent of the Detroit Lions and they could make the playoffs! WOW!

	17-12-2002 15:21									#300
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They have more talent than that.

They have a running back who is better than James Stewart. They have a good tight end in Todd Heap. And they still have a good defense.

All things detroit doesn't have