06-12-2002 13:21									#1
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quote: [posted by AsleepAtTheWheel not sure if this is the right place for this but that has never stopped me before. Are we going to name the individual units (at least the first few) would add to the roleplay. We could name them after ourselves, though would be unfortunate when they die

quote: posted by FrustratedPoet Customising the name of every unit in-game is important IMHO. Even if all we do is name them Warrior1, Warrior2, Warrior3 etc... It will make it much easier to discuss strats later on.

Okay here's a good place to talk about this.

	06-12-2002 13:29									#2
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Asleepatthewheel already noted that naming units after ourselves can be unpleasent when they die.
Perhaps we can make up names of generals in our army and name the units after them?
What's sure is that we'll need a system to authorize each name. I suggest that whenever a certain name wins some support, we poll to see if the people approve of this name. If a name wins a certain amount of support from the public then it will be entered into the "hat" and the Grand Poobah can pull out whichever name he likes whenever we can name a unit in the game.

	06-12-2002 13:50									#3
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quote: Originally posted by Shiber whenever we can name a unit in the game.

Am I right in thinking that we can rename every unit in the game in PTW? Not just the elites who have generated a GL...

	06-12-2002 13:53									#4
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quote: Originally posted by FrustratedPoet Am I right in thinking that we can rename every unit in the game in PTW? Not just the elites who have generated a GL...

Yes we can, even the workers can be renamed

	06-12-2002 13:56									#5
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I suggest we raise 'regiments'. Each regiment could have 3 to 6 'battalions'.

So, a regiment of Horse could be the 'Storm Riders'. The first Battalion would be the 1/SR. The second would be 2/SR.

Another could be Swords in 'The Black Watch'. Thus the 1/BW, 2/BW and so on.

	06-12-2002 14:54									#6
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Sometimes I like to seperate my units by these names, for example our Storm Riders could be.

SR Home Defense
SR Grand Army

etc. Split their duties up, name the spearman in the cities as all Home Defense #(_), name the horseman and archers as either Home Defense or Grand Army

sometimes i get really deep into it and build my armies from division down to company level. It can get pretty detailed about specific units. I know, I'm crazy.

It would help with coordinating tactical orders as well. When describing a unit, all the physical player has to do is Just go to the Military Advisor screen and scroll down for the appropriate battalion name or purpose or whatever you put in there, then give them orders, move em in groups; ie lots of potential time gained back from spending the time naming those units in the first place.

	06-12-2002 16:30									#7
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Can the other players see the names of units that we rename?
We need to think about that before we start revealing the position of units by their names. Another example for a revealing name would be 'Storm Riders 37th Regiment' - this reveals that we have at least 37 units of this type.

	06-12-2002 16:56									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Shiber Can the other players see the names of units that we rename? We need to think about that before we start revealing the position of units by their names. Another example for a revealing name would be 'Storm Riders 37th Regiment' - this reveals that we have at least 37 units of this type.

Only if we number things consecutively. If the number is merely a designator to indicate which is which, we'd have to make sure we don't have duplicates, but otherwise, we could use any numbers we want in any order we want.

Nathan

	06-12-2002 17:13									#9
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Well, it may be clear that named units wil be easier for us to follow, but the same applies to the enemy. Therefore, if a unit changes position, it should be renamed as well (is this possible?) Otherwise I'd better have totally random names, so that no grouping can be seen. Especially all numbering, and defense/offense information should be kept out of the naming, or we have to get the same amount of units which are mislabeled.

Calling a number of troops 'SR home defense' is only good if we are going to use these to attack, or support an attack. If the naming is used to deceipt the enemy, fine, otherwise I'd rather have a blend name with some kind of numbering, or even without any special name at all.

DeepO

	06-12-2002 17:39									#10
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You can even rename colony's

	06-12-2002 18:19									#11
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I suggest that we name our first warrior, which we will use to explore: 'Messenger of Good Will'. It will convey the kind of message that we want to send out to the first other player that spots our warrior near their territory.

	06-12-2002 20:03									#12
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I would of course like one of our original exploring warriors to be named Grog No big deal if you all don't like the idea.

If we want to be complex about things, we go with something like this:

All horsemen are "StormRiders"
Each unit is designated by the city in which it is built (abbreviated) and a number.

Hence: 1st EoS StormRiders. 5th SwK StormRiders. etc.

We can be devious and hide our numbers by simply agreeing to skip some in each category (for horsemen we could skip 10-15, for spearmen we could skip 5-10, for swordsmen we could skip 1-5, etc).

-Arrian

	06-12-2002 20:04									#13
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We could also spread disinformation by naming one of our exploring warriors "finder of the settler" or somesuch thing (well, hopefully we will get one, but changes aren't great).

-Arrian

	06-12-2002 20:08									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Arrian We could also spread disinformation by naming one of our exploring warriors "finder of the settler" or somesuch thing (well, hopefully we will get one, but changes aren't great).

That name could backfire if someone thinks it's THEIR settler he's looking for.

	06-12-2002 20:39									#15
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I hadn't considered that.

-Arrian

	06-12-2002 21:27									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Arrian Each unit is designated by the city in which it is built (abbreviated) and a number.

Arrian, this would mean that we give away our troop-producing cities, so no way! as least as possible strategic information, please.

Naming a warrior Grog: I knew you were going to propose that, and I like it

DeepO

	07-12-2002 00:03									#17
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Ok then, we could go with NYE's proposal of regiments/battalions, though I'd add in some of our names, as so:

1st Bttln, NYEs StormSpears
5th Bttln, Arrian's StormRiders
9th Bttln, Theseus' StormBlades

-Arrian

	07-12-2002 04:02									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Arrian Ok then, we could go with NYE's proposal of regiments/battalions, though I'd add in some of our names, as so: 1st Bttln, NYEs StormSpears 5th Bttln, Arrian's StormRiders 9th Bttln, Theseus' StormBlades -Arrian

I like it.

	07-12-2002 05:31									#19
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This discussion just gave me another idea: why wouldn't we deliberately rename troops to mislead our opponents? At certain times, we could cycle the names of troops a bit, so to make them look like a bigger force. E.g. Get Archer7 out of city and let him stay in sight for one turn. Next turn, move him a little (also into sight, heading for another city e.g.), and rename him in Archer5. Result? Some teams might be fooled in believing we have 2 archers there.

DeepO

	07-12-2002 05:53									#20
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You really need to change your nick to DEVIOUS or something like that

btw: it works the other way around too(pretending we are less strong then we in fact are )

	07-12-2002 15:38									#22
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Yup, it works both ways. But one thing, we have to be careful when moving units, so they are positioned in the right direction. If you move out of a city, and just hit space, it will look like you are leaving, instead of entering the city. So the trick is going to be to move one tile too far, and move one tile back.

I'm starting to love this naming business a lot more... however I'm curious how other teams will use it.

Oh, BTW, if we want to have the biggest effect of our numbering system, we should at first use a logical order, e.g. # 1, #2, #4, #5, #6, #8, #10, etc. Otherwise the other teams will see through our deceipt too easily. And, after espionage, things will change, of course. But that will not happy before 2005

DeepO

	07-12-2002 15:58									#23
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How about if we name our first three warriors "Grog," "Son of Grog," and "Grandson of Grog," or is that taking Arrian's favorite warrior name too far?