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This thread will contain all the information about our empire, and all the information our empire possesses.
It will be updated regularly, some sections more often than others, depends on the situation.
Basically, since we cant check the save whenever we want to and because it takes so long to play every turn, these posts will replace the advisors and will provide up to date information for our discussions.


Mail Addresses


Beta - brucehynes57@rogers.com
Dissident - Krusher3X@yahoo.com
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HarryH - albingersich@comcast.net
Jon Miller - jonathanandrewmiller@comcast.net
Wittlich - wittlich@sbcglobal.net
Konquest02 - julien_marchand@hotmail.com
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Skywalker - skywalker2588@aol.com
mjmacy - mjmacy@wisc.edu
argha - arg_ha@yahoo.com

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Updated - 190BC (July 4)

Foreign Affairs


Relations


(NOTE - specific details of most communications can be found in the Foreign Affairs Thread.)

GATHERING STORM

FA Contact : nbarclay

Status : Contact in game, 3150BC, south of the chokepoint.


Treaties :

Vox Controli-Gathering Storm Peace and Exodus agreement


1. Vox will have up to 18 turns, or until workers and settlers equaling its current population (with settlers counting as two pop points), whichever comes first, to evacuate. During that time, only workers and settlers will be produced unless Gathering Storm grants an exception for some special purpose.

2. When the designated term of evacuation is over, Vox will hand over all of their towns that are left on Estonia to GS. However, if Vox is incapable of loading all of its units on galleys by that time, they may leave units in one tile which will be agreed upon with GS until their galleys return for additional trips, granted that the immortals leave on the first trip.

3. When leaving, Vox promises not to raze any of it's worked tiles or remaining cities. (This includes abandoning cities by building settlers without GS's consent.) Vox also agrees not to sell any city improvements other than barracks and cultural improvements.

4. Vox will not allow any landings of forces other than GS on it's territory during the evacuation period. Any such forces already there will be asked to leave.

5. Vox units will have free passage from S. Estonia to N. Estonia, in order to be disbanded in the cities for faster production.

6. Vox will disband all it's military units, as described in point 5, except :
a) 12 defensive units - Pikemen or Spearmen.
b) 4 offensive units - Immortals or Warriors.

7. 3 Voxian Catapults will pass to GS.

8. Up to 2 GS War Chariots may patrol Voxian territory during the evacuation. GS and Vox will attempt to minimize interference between GS's patrols and Vox's unit movements. Aside from warriors needed as MPs to address happiness problems, Vox will keep its units outside its cities to avoid ambiguities in verifying numbers and types of troops.

9. Should Vox request GS's aid in the logistical aspect of the evacuation, such aid will be available.
If that happens, Vox agrees to provide every detail that is required to create a scenario that is an exact duplication of North Estonia (fully identical, up to the amount of food and shields stored in each city). GS will help Vox come up with a turn-by-turn plan for the most effective and efficient evacuation possible. Should GS come up with a plan to liquify the population of North Estonia up to the point where each remaining city of Vox Controli is down to 1 population point or has been abandoned with a settler before Vox's designated evacuation period is over, Vox will follow that plan and evacuate North Estonia as soon as that plan is completely carried out (that is, sooner than the amount of turns initially agreed upon).

10. The method of evacuation :
Vox's population will be transformed into workers. Vox will arrange to be given a town on another continent by a team of their choice, and will then gift their workers to that team, which, according to agreement with Vox, will return these workers to Vox's control. Therefore, galleys will only be necessary for the transportation of military units and there will be need for less galleys for Vox to evacuate themselves than if they evacuated their population via galleys as well.

11. Vox will not use pop rushing in any city without GS's approval.

12. Vox will give Gathering Storm Engineering when research on that is completed.

13. If applicable, Vox will sell or trade its free industrial and modern techs to Gathering Storm on terms at least as favorable as those on which it provides them to any other nation. This includes giving Gathering Storm an equal opportunity to pay with techs or other commodities rather than gold. Commitments required in return for land in your new home will not count in this regard, however.

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15. If any former Voxian city transferred to GS attempts to flip back to Vox, Vox will reject the city when asked. Should a mistake be made in handling that, or if some quirk of MP prevents you from having an opportunity to reject the flip, Vox will immediately gift the city back to GS.

16. The city of Dissidentville will be an exception to the 18-turn evacuation period. Vox will either hand over or abandon Dissidentville (in the latter case, probably by disbanding with a settler sped up by disbanding units), at GS's choice, within the next seven turns. Should this provision undercut Vox's ability to evacuate population equivalent to its current population within 18 turns, GS will grant a suitable extension to compensate.

17. It is understood by both sides that the spirit of this agreement that is important, not just its letter. Neither side will attempt to use technicalities to take unfair advantage of the other or to circumvent the intent of the agreement.



Final Peace - the 5 points of 90BC

1. Vox 126. Vox gifts all cities on Stormia (Estonia) to GS, save the Voice, as well as Engineering. Accepted. All cities include Wittlich City, Miller Town, Beta-by-the-Sea, and Harry's Hideout.

2. GS 127. GS accepts cities and tech. Declares war, occupies The Voice. GS offers peace, Miller Town and any gold captured from the Voice back, accepted.

3. Vox 127. Vox accepts peace and Miller Town. Moves all forces into Miller Town. Offers Miller Town, unnaccepted.

4. GS 128. GS offers 60 gold and accepts.

5. Vox 128. Vox accepts 60 gold for Miller Town and all forces *blip* to their new capital. The peace is final.

Ratified by Gathering Storm

Ratified by Vox Controli


With the understanding that we could and probably will go a turn earlier by accepting the Miller Town transfer.


Trade :

Our attitude towards them :

Special notes :Worked out Trade and City Site agreement

NEU DEMOGYPTICA

FA Contact :Borc, Darekill

Status :

Treaties :

Trade :

Our attitude towards them :

Special notes :

GLORY OF WAR

FA Contact :Hot_Enamel

Status :

Treaties :

Trade :

Our attitude towards them :

Special notes :

ROLEPLAY

FA Contact :BigFree

Status :

Treaties :

Trade :

Our attitude towards them :

Special notes :They would appear to have some affinity for our team as a result of the roleplay like correspondences we have been sending.

VOX CONTROLI

==== not applicable ====

LUX INVICTA

FA Contact : none

Status : extinct

Treaties : none

Trade : none

Our attitude towards them : we killed them

Special notes :. none

LEGOLAND

FA Contact :Vondrack

Status :

Treaties :


I Beta, on behalf of Vox Controli, agree to the following treaty, in this the year 190 BC.


Treaty of The New Voice

1) Legoland agrees to give Legos Minor to Vox Controli as a new homeland. Legos Minor is defined as all land beyond the isthmus of Invoice/Benelux (see the map).
No Vox Controli settlement may be founded South of the site marked as "Southernmost Vox Controli City on Legos Minor". Considering the land shown on the map attached, Legoland will settle no more sites than Port Hammer and Invoice/Benelux.

2) Legoland will, at its earliest convenience, found and gift a 2-pop city on Legos Minor to Vox Controli, in a location specified by Vox Controli. Legoland will make reasonable efforts to protect this city from barbarians until Vox Controli is able to protect it with its own forces.

3) Neither Legoland, nor Vox Cotroli will ever accept a city trying to defect (aka "culture flip") to the other party.

4) Vox Controli will never declare war on another civ without Legoland's approval and consent. Legoland will never declare war on Vox Controli, except for fake/staged wars as needed for GA triggering, combat training ("GL factory") or worker exchange. Fake wars would be declared with the approval of both parties involved.

5) All techs researched by either Legoland or Vox Controli must be shared with the other team upon request. Any techs requested under this clause are subject to a permanent Non-Disclosure Agreement; the team receiving the tech may not trade/gift/resell it to anyone else without the giving team's permission. This does NOT apply to techs acquired by trading with third parties.

6) If Legoland lacks a strategic resource Vox Controli has, Vox is obliged to provide it to Lego upon request. If Legoland has a surplus of a strategic resource Vox Controli lacks, Legoland is obliged to provide it to Vox Controli upon request. In both cases, a reasonable balance may be requested in exchange.

7) As soon as reasonably possible, Vox agree to build a warrior to keep in reserve for triggering Legoland's GA (a sacrifice to a Merc).

8) Vox Controli agrees to no trading of maps of Legos Minor to other civs, unless specifically approved by Lego.


Trade :

Our attitude towards them :

Special notes :

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Updated - 2110BC - Jan 29

Internal Affairs


Goverment : Despotism.

Slider :
Science - 90%
Luxuries - 0%
Money - 10%

Treasury : 70 gold
Income per Turn : -2 gold.

Total culture : 63

Cities


Name : The Voice
Size : 1
Producing : Settler
Current Infrastructure : Palace.
Culture : 63
Notes : Capitol city.

Name: Miller Town
Size: : 2
Pruducing: Barracks
Current Infrastructure: none
Culture: 0
Notes: Second city- S/SW of The Voice
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Updated - 2310BC

Military Affairs


Army


Total Units : 9
Allowed Units : 8
Support : 1 gold/turn

Unit name : Settler
Number of units : 1.

Unit name : Worker.
Number of units : 2.

Unit name : Warrior.
Number of units : 4.

Unit name : Spearman
Number of units : 2.

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City Defense


City name : The Voice.
Defending units : None

City name : Miller Town
Defending units : None

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Exploration


Unit : Willy the Wandering Warrior
Exploring Region : Fortified on Moutain on East coast of South Estonia

Unit : Tim the Warrior.
Exploring Region : Fortified on Mountain in Central South Estonia on the edge of the jungle region.

Unit : Thadeus the Warrior
Exploring Region : Fortified on the forested chokepoint.

Unit : Rodney the Warrior
Exploring Region : Providing guard duty for worker SE of the chokepoint.

Unit : Spearman #1
Exploring Region : Fortified on chokepoint

Unit : Spearman #2
Exploring Region : Moving south along road in N. Estonia

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Great Leaders : None

Armies : None

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Updated - 2110BC

Science Affairs


Technologies we posess


Bronze Working, Masonry, Ceremonial Burial, Iron Working, Pottery, The Wheel, Alphabet.

Currently Researching


Technology name : Mysticism
Estimated time to finish : Currently 10 turns


Research Queue


1. Mysticism
2. Pending agreement with Lux Invicta and GS?
3.
4.
5.

Tech Costs


(in beakers)

ANCIENT ERA

Bronze Working 30
Masonry 40
Alphabet 50
Pottery 20
The Wheel 40
Warrior Code 30
Ceremonial Burial 20

Iron Working 60
Mathematics 80
Writing 80
Mysticism 40

Philosophy 60
Code of Laws 100
Literature 100
Map Making 120
Horseback Riding 50
Polytheism 120

Construction 200
Currency 160
The Republic 280
Monarchy 240

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Updated - 2110BC

Intelligence Affairs


LUX INVICTA

Civilization : Ottomans
Traits : Industrial, Scientific

Wonders possessed :

Relations with other civs :
Glory of War -
Roleplay -
Gathering Storm -
Legoland -
Neu Demogyptica -


Team leaders and Contact information :

Technologies possessed : Bronze Working, Masonry, Iron Working, Pottery, Ceremonial Burial, The Wheel, Alphabet.

Resources possessed :

Estimated Army size and composition : possible 3 warriors

More random information : Located on the continent due west of our capitol.

Trade agreements :
Glory of War -
Roleplay -
Gathering Storm -
Legoland -
Neu Demogyptica -


GLORY OF WAR

Civilization : China
Traits : Industrious, Militaristic

Wonders possessed :

Relations with other civs :
Lux Invicta -
Roleplay -
Gathering Storm -
Legoland -
Neu Demogyptica -


Team leaders and Contact information :

Technologies possessed : Warrior Code, Bronze Working

Resources possessed :

Estimated Army size and composition :

More random information :

Trade agreements :
Lux Invicta -
Roleplay -
Gathering Storm -
Legoland -
Neu Demogyptica -


ROLEPLAY

Civilization : Spain
Traits : Religious, Commercial

Wonders possessed :

Relations with other civs :
Glory of War -
Lux Invicta -
Gathering Storm -
Legoland -
Neu Demogyptica -


Team leaders and Contact information :

Technologies possessed : Alphabet, Ceremonial Burial

Resources possessed :

Estimated Army size and composition :

More random information :

Trade agreements :
Glory of War -
Lux Invicta -
Gathering Storm -
Legoland -
Neu Demogyptica -


GATHERING STORM

Civilization : Egypt
Traits : Industrious, Religious

Wonders possessed :

Relations with other civs :
Roleplay -
Glory of War -
Lux Invicta -
Legoland -
Neu Demogyptica -


Team leaders and Contact information :

Technologies possessed : Masonry, Ceremonial Burial, Bronze Working, Pottery, The Wheel, Iron Working, Alphabet.

Resources possessed :

Estimated Army size and composition : Known units: 5 warriors.

More random information : Located in the southern part of our continent

Trade agreements :
Roleplay -
Glory of War -
Lux Invicta -
Legoland -
Neu Demogyptica -


LEGOLAND

Civilization : Carthage
Traits : Industrious, Commercial

Wonders possessed :

Relations with other civs :
Gathering Storm -
Roleplay -
Glory of War -
Lux Invicta -
Neu Demogyptica -


Team leaders and Contact information :
President : Jack_www.
Science : Spiffor
Military : Redstar1
Foreign : Vondrack

Technologies possessed : Masonry, Alphabet

Resources possessed :

Estimated Army size and composition :

More random information :

Trade agreements :
Gathering Storm -
Roleplay -
Glory of War -
Lux Invicta -
Neu Demogyptica -


NEU DEMOGYPTICA

Civilization : Arabia
Traits : Religious, Expansionist

Wonders possessed :

Relations with other civs :
Legoland -
Gathering Storm -
Roleplay -
Glory of War -
Lux Invicta -


Team leaders and Contact information :

Technologies possessed : Pottery, Ceremonial Buriel

Resources possessed :

Estimated Army size and composition :

More random information :

Trade agreements :
Legoland -
Gathering Storm -
Roleplay -
Glory of War -
Lux Invicta -

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Geographic Department


In the future, this section will contain links to screenshots and maps of our empire and of our rivals.

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And thanks to Ming for topping the thread.

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Eli - awesome.

(what does topping a thread mean?)

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That it stays on the top, even if no one posts there.

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good work. although its kind of empty right now

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Eli - thx. As with MarkG's threads on the CIV3PTW forum. Understood.

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Updated for 3750BCE.

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Intelligence Affairs fully updated.
Civ names and traits are now included.

The previously forgotten Neu Demogyptica team was added to all relevant places in all posts.

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All posts but two were updated for 3250BCE.


Beta - Please send me the Foreign and Intelligence affairs details.

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updating for 2950 BC. oh you have things in nice italics. I'll have to fix that. Apolyton seems slow unfortunately.

edit: I made a few changes to military. Just to show the support costs and our army size and allowed size.

I also left room for Armies and Great Leaders

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Other ideas. This is just a rough draft. Not pretty.

Trade:

Current Trade status:

Gathering Storm:
Connected by: Nothing
Current trades: none

New Demo:
Connected by: Nothing
Current trades: none

Warmongers:
Connected by: Nothing
Current trades: none

Roleplay:
Connected by: Nothing
Current trades: none

Lux Invicta:
Connected by: Nothing
Curent trades: none

Lege:
Connected by: Nothing
Current trades: none


The main thing I want to use this for is to see what trade routes we have available. This could be usefull later on as we evaluate what effect wars and such will have. The whole team will know what luxeries/resources we would be losing if we went to war.


Another possible page.

Wonders of the world:

We can list who owns what wonder. This could also be useful when evaulating the effects of wars and such.

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The first post now contains email addresses.

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I added my email address to the first post.


Don't you just love the ability of editing other peoples posts?!

IMO, it is a GREAT option for diplomacy games.

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can someone update this?

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updated

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I was thinking we should revisit Eli's original idea to see what we might want to add or change. To start with - we need to have our threaties in one place. I have added the Lego treaty, and will piece together the GS treaty from the various threads later. I have also updated the FA contacts, as I know them to be now.

Does anyone have other suggestions? Do we want to do a formal reporting process such as used by Lego? (and the ISDG game)?

Do we simply want to streamline this chart. Something along the lines Diss has suggested for keeping track of trades. As the primary player over the last long while - (and we should discuss that as well) - it takes some time to play the turn, and post a commentary. Having to update a detailed chart constantly would add to the work load. But if there is key info we should have centralized, let's hear about it.

I am still of the view that with having a small team, a simple commentary, screen shots and sending the save around to all should suffice for a lot of the info sharing.

Comments? Thought?

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The centralized info is nice, but if it takes too much time for just one player to do then it is not too conducive to actual playing. I'd just as soon see the save emailed to people so they can see for themselves what is going on. However, the foreign affairs should probably be adapted when it changes as that is something that you can't see in the save game. If you need someone to take on a little bit of that I could probably help you out, though I'd need you to bring me up to speed on how you usually go about it.

Also, please edit my email to the new rhothaerill@comcast.net address. Thanks.

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Originally posted by Rhothaerill

Also, please edit my email to the new rhothaerill@comcast.net address. Thanks.


Rhoth - the other thing you should know about the closed forum is that you can edit anything posted by anybody. A bit of a Poly bug, but we have all learned to live with it. It has its advantages - we can all edit the thread ov everything. But i have changed your e-mail.

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I changed my e-mail address to my new comcast address.

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a saved email will work for me, but I don't want to play a turn

if someone will send me one I will try and be active once more (I know it has been over a year...)

I still don't want to play (I am afraid I will screw something up), and I am not one to make sure everything runs perfectly (like some here, which I am glad for) but I can at least comment and post ideas

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Yep when the current turn plyers get a chance put me on the list for the save, I cant see myself getting too involved at this point but would like to occassionally contribute.

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Rhothaerill is offline Rhothaerill

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Somehow I missed Jon's post. I'll send a PM to Togas right now asking him to add both Jon and Con to the distribution. I'll go ahead and have Harry removed too since he has not posted in the forum for months.

EDIT: PM has been sent to Togas.

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I added my name as well. I suppose I shouldn't be one of the "players" until I've a little more experience here, unless you need the help. I'm basically on at the same exact time as Beta (coincidentally), so I probably don't provide a whole lot in terms of additional play times.

 
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