08-12-2002 04:21									#1
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Here is a bunch of new Hoplite units for Exsanguination’s “Alexander the Great” scenario. They are nothing much, just simple modifications of the Civ3 Hoplite.
They would also suitable for Xerxes invasion of Greece or the Peloponnesian War, and could even be used as other nations heavy spearmen, such as the Etruscans, Campanians, Carthaginians or the early Romans (who also used Hoplites until the sack of Rome in 387 BC by the Celts caused them to reform the army into Legionaries).

(Please note that I have not included any information on how to add these new units.....this is because I live in Europe, and still do not possess the PTW expansion disk yet, so I'm not 100% sure how it's done)

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As the Civ3 Hoplite only has an attack of 1, but a defence of 3, it is almost impossible for it to destroy another heavy infantry unit.
So I think it represents little more than a “Militia Hoplite”, capable of defending a city, but no good at attacking one.

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Last edited by Kryten on 08-12-2002 at 05:29

	08-12-2002 04:23									#2
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Citizen Hoplite
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This is the wealthier Greek citizen who is able to afford the expensive full Hoplite equipment, and has enough free time to train with it, so is capable of attacking and defeating an enemy.

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	08-12-2002 04:27									#3
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Suggested stats for the Citizen Hoplite:
2-3-1, cost 30, requires iron, and the Greeks build this unit instead of the Civ3 “Swordsman” (because in reality, it was the Romans and Celts in the west that used swords & shields, while the people of the east such as the Greeks and Persians used spears & shields, NOT swordsmen).

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	08-12-2002 04:29									#4
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Allied Hoplite
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All the Greek city states were relatively small and couldn’t raise more than about 5,000 soldiers each. So ancient Greek armies larger than this were often alliances and coalitions. This unit represents these ‘allies’.

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	08-12-2002 04:44									#5
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Suggested stats for the Allied Hoplite:
2-3-1, available with Bronze Working, requires no resources, cost 40, and upgrades to “Citizen Hoplite” (so if there is no iron, or if it runs out or is captured, then the Greeks will have to depend more on “Allied Hoplites” instead of their own citizens….even if these ‘allies’ demand political concessions: i.e. they cost more but require no resources).

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	08-12-2002 04:46									#6
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Theban Sacred Band
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These were the elite of the Theban army (this is the Greek city of Thebes, not the Egyptian one). Composed of 300 pairs of homosexual lovers, they usually formed the front rank of the Theban Hoplite phalanx, but were destroyed in 338 BC at the battle of Chaeronea by Philip of Macedon’s Companion cavalry, led by his son Alexander.

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Suggested stats for the Sacred Band:
2-3-1, requires iron, +2 hit points, and costs 60 (this is expensive in order to discourage the building of too many of them, as only one unit existed in reality).

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	08-12-2002 04:57									#8
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Theban Hoplite
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These were the troops who made up the bulk of the Boetian armies.
The symbol on the bronze shield is the ‘club of Hercules’, which was the national symbol of Thebes. Whereas most Greek city states allowed their Hoplites to wear and display anything they liked, Thebes and Sparta had national symbols on their shields and wore standardized uniforms.

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	08-12-2002 05:01									#9
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Suggested stats for the Theban Hoplite:
2-3-1, requires iron, costs 30 (the same as the “Citizen Hoplite”).

Attachment: theban hoplite.zip
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Spartan Hoplite
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The famous Spartans were the elite of the Lacedaemonian Peloponnesian Greeks. They lived in a strict ‘caste’ society, totally devoted to hardship and military training, with the Spartites of the city of Sparta at the top. Because of this they were few in number, with only some 5,000 at their height, and dropping to less than 1,000 by 370 BC.
Despite their renown in all matters military, the Spartans were defeated by the Thebans at the battles of Leuctra and Mantinea in 371 & 362 BC. The subsequent freeing of their lower class serfs (called ‘helots’) effectively destroyed their hierarchical caste system.

Please note that this figure is not in Civ colours, but is instead in red.
This is because the Spartans wore red. They always wore red. So I’ve made this unit…. red.

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	08-12-2002 05:06									#11
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Suggested stats for the Spartan Hoplite:
2-3-1, requires iron, +1 hit point, costs 50 (like the Theban Sacred Band, the high cost is to discourage the building of too many of these units).

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	08-12-2002 05:08									#12
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Perioikoi Hoplite
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These were the second rank of Lacedaemonian society, and represent the troops from cities other than Sparta, as well as those who failed the strict military training.
Although free citizens, they had no political power or any say in the running of the state, but still made up the bulk of the Lacedaemonian army.

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Suggested stats for the Perioikoi Hoplite:
2-3-1, requires iron, cost 30 (the same as the “Citizen Hoplite”).

Attachment: perioikoi hoplite.zip
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Persian Subjugated Hoplite
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This unit represents the Carians, Lydians and Ionian Greeks who were forced to fight for the Persian Empire. Having no love for their Persian overlords, they were often unenthusiastic.

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	08-12-2002 05:16									#15
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Suggested stats for the Subjugated Hoplite:
2-3-1, requires iron, -1 hit point, costs 30 (despite the –1 hit point, this unit is still better than the Civ3 “Spearman”, and so should cost a bit more).

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	08-12-2002 05:18									#16
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Persian Hired Hoplite
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(I think that someone is already creating a ‘Mercenary Hoplite’, and I didn’t want to steal the name, so I’ve called this one a “Hired Hoplite” instead)
The famous Immortals were destroyed by the Athenians and Spartans at the battle of Plataea in 479 BC, and were never reformed. Instead, the Persians used their vast wealth to hire the best troops around at that time….Greek Mercenary Hoplites.

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Suggested stats for the Hired Hoplite:
2-3-1, requires iron, and costs 40 (if the “Subjugated Hoplite” costs 30, then this unit should cost a bit more).

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	08-12-2002 05:24									#18
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....last of all, here is a cut down units_32 file which only contains the above units.
You can cut & paste this on to your existing units_32 file, or, if you are unable to do this, then may I suggest downloading the units_32 file created by Zulu9812 (which contains over 600 player created unit icons!).
This can be found here…..

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showt...?threadid=35648

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	08-12-2002 05:26									#19
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You know, in reality, the Persian Immortal was never as good as Civ3 portrays them. Here is a brief history of this unit:-
First, they were formed about 530 BC, and disappeared after 479 BC, so only existed for some 50 years (or just two Civ3 turns!).
Second, there were just 10,000 of them, no more, no less. This is less than 5% of the total Persian army.
Third, they were destroyed by Athenian & Spartan Hoplites.
Lastly, rather than reforming them, the Persians hired Greek Hoplites instead.
When Alexander the Great invaded Asia Minor in 334 BC for example, he faced some 20,000 Mercenary Hoplites at the battle of Granicus, and 30,000 a year later at the battle of Issus, but NO ‘Immortals’, because they had disappeared almost 150 years earlier.

Soooo…..how did the Greeks defeat them, why were they not rebuilt, and why did the Persians use mercenaries instead?
The answer is obvious….Greek Mercenary Hoplites WERE BETTER!!!
Personally, I think Immortals should be 2-2-1, +1 hit point, cost 50, and have a defensive bombardment of 2 or 3 with a range of zero (in reality they were armed with spears + bows. It’s hard to see, but if you look closely the Civ3 Immortal actually carries a bow case on his back).

Having said that, I very much doubt that I can persuade anyone to downgrade their favourite ancient Civ3 unit just because it’s more realistic!
(“Oh well….at least you tried Kryten, at least you tried”)

	09-12-2002 06:35									#20
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Great work Kryten, I like your hoplites!

BTW, you're right about Alexander and mercenary hoplites they were better, but that was not because they were such strong soldiers, but because they fought in a phalanx. It should so be able to build armies in the ancient times in wich just hoplites can be put, but that couses some work. Perhaps you know how to do that? I don't.

	09-12-2002 15:07									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Kryten Here is a bunch of new Hoplite units for Exsanguination’s “Alexander the Great” scenario. They are nothing much, just simple modifications of the Civ3 Hoplite.

Yeah, I like this units, even they are just "simple" modifications.