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Vesayen is offline Vesayen
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It is the year 1400 and you have controll of 500 infantry, and a carrier... Put an end to popups!

You go back in time to the year 1400 with a rather large aircraft carrier, which has a full compliment of planes(think something on the scale of the USS Lincoln-largest ship in the U.S. fleet) with 500 fully decked out marines on board. You have 2 heavy duty artilery pieces and enough ammo/fuel/food/spare parts/supplies to run for one year before you need any new items......

How do you conquer the world?

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Pretend I am god and my armies are angels. It works well in stargate sg1....

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Go to the Med. Take a helicopter into Rome and land on St Peters Square. Delcare yourself the Archangel Michael, and relieve the Pope of his throne.

Now take his place, and demand fealty from all nations. If they don't obey, drop one inflammatory bomb on their major city. They will then. Keep it up till you rule Europe, then do the same to the Islamic world whilat getting some cronies to do whatever the Spaniards did in the Americas. I suppose you could now take on the nations in the Asian sub-continent and China. And presto World conquered.

If you assume that you'd be able to implement modern techniques for oil refinery and the like in the conquered bits, it might be even easier.

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What's with all these dumb hypothetical situations of yours? I don't want to travel back in time and conquer the world, damn it.

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What's with all these dumb hypothetical situations of yours? I don't want to travel back in time and conquer the world, damn it.


Would you like some cheese with that whine?

No?

Then don't post in these kinds of threads if you don't like them or we'll be forced to call for a Waambulance. Sheesh, some people...

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I would

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What's with all these dumb hypothetical situations of yours? I don't want to travel back in time and conquer the world, damn it.


So im a megalomaniac-sue me

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Go to the Med. Take a helicopter into Rome and land on St Peters Square. Delcare yourself the Archangel Michael, and relieve the Pope of his throne.
That would work better if you had neon lights, a toy lightsaber, and a toga.


If I wanted to take over the world, (and I had nop conciense or morals) I would just cropdust major countries and cities with chemical weapons. Of course, if I wanted to keep people around to do my bidding, I would probably go along the line of lightblue's strategy.

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This is what they call an ISOT scenario in soc.history.what-if

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ISOT?

And to pour some cold water on some of the theories: Before developing oil refining etc etc you would have to pull the world through a revolution in metallurgy... Are you up to date on your hot air furnce design?

Likewise with chemical weapons - organic chemistry is still 400 years away, and you would have to make everything from scratch... I'm a trained chemist, and I don't think I could do much with raw naphta and urine...

All in all, I think I'd prefer to live a comfortable life as corporate scum than be a ruler in world without indoor plumbing...

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I think this would work a lot better if I started in Asia. After all, they had more people, while Europe's technological edge had barely begun.

On the other hand, this shouldn't be TOO hard. Why not try a much tougher scenario? Forget the carrier, you have just 500 marines with enough ammo to conquer a large city easily (but no more). (Let's say, a city the size of Baghdad, Constantinople, Venice, or Hangzhou.) Your marines are also quite knowledgeable about all forms of land, sea, and air weaponry. How would you conquer the world?

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Precisely, CyberGnu. :applause:

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All in all, I think I'd prefer to live a comfortable life as corporate scum than be a ruler in world without indoor plumbing...




of course, you can take blueprints for indoor plumbing back with you, and guard it as a close secret

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Btw, I don't think it could be done; not with a mere 500 people and 1 carrier group it's not. Best you could likely do is prevent the development of the European Atlantic presence but, more likely, you'll just become a raider going from city to city demanding tribute - that is, until the gas runs out (in which case I recommend being in America). Even the weapons will have a shelf life, most of them not lasting longer than 10 years.

And only 500 people? For the entire planet?

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America?? In year 1400?? Do you want all your precious native american slaves to die of imported-diseases?

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You have several advantages:

1. You know what are going to happen in the future.

2. You know which people are good and which are bad.

3. You know the technologies, or at least in which way your alchemists(scientists) have to research.

4. You have unrivaled firepower.

5. You have unrivaled communication capability.


Your biggest advantage is not your firepower, but your knowledge. For example:

- You can pick any country that meets your needs.

- You can use your knowledge to impress its ruler, building up support in that country, and ultimately usurp the power.

- You can win any battle with your existing military knowledge(training, leadership, logistics, weaponries) and a nice sets of radios.

- You know how the country should be run, which political structure and economic policies it needs.

- Your firepower should only be applied to resolve emergency situations.

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The solution would be to monopolize all sea trade and communication--this assumes, of course, that this is a nuke carrier. Buy mercenaries to do the dirty work.

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Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

I'd trade in my planes for some concubines.

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I'd take Japan because Japan is cool. Land there, win a war for them, and make friends with those in command. The people will like me cause I won the war. Eventually, the people more important than me will meet with tragic accidents. Then I'd build an airstrip, unload the planes to the island. (This makes Japanese mainland invincible for the next 350 years.) Use the carrier to take people, supplies, and whatnot across the Pacific. Colonize California and Western North America. Build up trade, shipping resources quickly across the Pacific with the carrier, and make a lot of money. Try to convert the little islands in the Pacific to my cause. Make examples of ones that don't. Build airstrips on the islands so that I can project my power farther. Be a Pacific Phoenicia, except a bit more evil and with advanced technology, to summarize.

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Japan is a bad choice because this island lacks many necessary resources. Also, you need to enlist Asians in your group.

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Well with a carrier you can go anywhere quickly and haul a whole lot in bulk. You can seize resources if necessary with the marines. Really, there's a lot of ways of making it work, and you don't need to have a large, powerful country to start with.

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Btw, I don't think it could be done; not with a mere 500 people and 1 carrier group it's not. Best you could likely do is prevent the development of the European Atlantic presence but, more likely, you'll just become a raider going from city to city demanding tribute - that is, until the gas runs out (in which case I recommend being in America). Even the weapons will have a shelf life, most of them not lasting longer than 10 years.

And only 500 people? For the entire planet?

That's why you adopt-a-country. Help em out so the people love you. Either make friends with those at the top of the current heirarchy, or overthrow the hierarchy. Nobody's gonna mess with you once you're at the top. The people would be way too scared.

Incorporate the 1400ians, don't fight them.

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What's with all these dumb hypothetical situations of yours? I don't want to travel back in time and conquer the world, damn it.


well i always imagined, if I took over the world, The most useful thing would be not having to actively seek out a chick myself. Being omnipotent and all the pickup line will be lot easier than now, ("I am your god, serve me")

But I bet Women in the past were alot dirtier since sanitation level isnt comparable to today...

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I'd trade in my planes for some concubines.


good thinking, but id establish myself as a god. god can get more chicks than anyone in this world.

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I'd take Japan because Japan is cool.

I'd take over japan because I'm starting to think asian chicks are smokin hot.

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Japan is a bad choice because this island lacks many necessary resources. Also, you need to enlist Asians in your group.

Im half korean so it would make for a wonderful story of how God from the west impregnated a woman or something like that. It would explain why I look half asian. (though its my dad thats asian but they dont have to know)

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A country should have the following characteristics:
- Has a centralized bureaucracy, meaning no pesky feudal lords to deal with. It also means once you control the central government, your command would be carried out as it is.
- Is in direct competition with another country, war usually opens up opportunities for outsiders to intervene.
- Must have access to both good human and material resources. Abundance of alchemists(scientists), craftsmen(engineers), merchants, and loyal peasants is seen as good human resources. Abundance of iron, horses, silver, and gold mines is seen as good material resources.
- Its population must have a certain zeal to spread its culture.
- Its culture may cover large territories and include many separate states.

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well i always imagined, if I took over the world, The most useful thing would be not having to actively seek out a chick myself. Being omnipotent and all the pickup line will be lot easier than now, ("I am your god, serve me")

But I bet Women in the past were alot dirtier since sanitation level isnt comparable to today...


I doubt you can stand the smell of any one of them. Europeans never bathed because a bath was considered a sin. (As late as 1855, Pennsylvania still passed a law probihiting the bath. Even the White House during Lincoln's time smelled as bad as today's hog farms.)

Also, because malnutrition was common, it would be hard to find any decent looking women. (Well, there were certain fewer obese ones)

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Obesity at one point was beauty because it was sign of wealth. Yea I know that.

More reason I contemplate this "go-back-in-time and conquer" thing. Its not really worth it.

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I would not do it either, especially if I can only bring 500 marines along with me. Who's going to save my ass if I get an appendix infection?

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There are medics on navy carriers.


Also there is plumbing, showers, etc. on carriers. So you could get a good woman.

 
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