03-01-2003 16:18									#31
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Updated. You can see the results in the first post.

	03-01-2003 17:14									#32
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I abstain.

	04-01-2003 02:45									#33
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Double post

	04-01-2003 02:46									#34
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If this thread won't receive more votes in the next 3 days, I will set up a few polls for the issues that seem to be in debate (3, 4, 5, 8) and update the Constitution with the results.

I might be off town next week, so when I come back the polls should be over and we could finally vote the Constitution.

	04-01-2003 07:37									#35
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1.) 2 months
2.)1 month
3.)51%
4.)66%
5.)3 days or 50%
6.)75%
7.)5 days or 66%
8.)66%

	04-01-2003 15:14									#36
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Thanks Jack. Updated.

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I have a question. Now that so many people actually have voted in this thread, do we really need to set up separate polls with the "hot" issues, where things are yet undecided? For example, nr.8: The amendment for the Constitution: the results are 51% - 4 votes, 66% - 5 votes. What should I do?

	04-01-2003 15:31									#37
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Wait for Sharpe to answer (he's an active player), and maybe PM Odin to come here (he's somehow present on 'Poly). This way, we'll have a more accurate picture.

	05-01-2003 00:08									#38
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I think Kraken is active as well - at least, in other parts of poly. I saw him post in the Creation forum several days ago.

Anyone seen quantum recently? Isn't he one of our ambassadors (or supposed to be )?

	05-01-2003 07:25									#39
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We are going to start having to crack down on some people wont we.

	05-01-2003 09:08									#40
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I am Canadian and talking about Constitutions is a distasteful subject up here with Quebec and all.

Still I will try to vote before the end of the weekend. My apologies for being among the last to vote on this.

	06-01-2003 02:57									#41
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Continuing my tradition of voting with the majorities: (just kidding, this is truly what I am voting for)

1) 1 month President's Term
2) 1 month Minister's Term
3) 51% Senate approval of war
4) 66% Senate early removal of Executive and ministers
5) 3 days or 50% Requirements for polls to be valid
6) 51% of Senate to be considered valid
7) 5 days or 66% of Senate voted for amendments, war etc.
8) 51%

Thank goodness that is over with...

	06-01-2003 03:53									#42
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Thanks Sharpe. Updating ...

	06-01-2003 04:03									#43
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What I find interesting is that many (actually most) Legos think that a majority of 66% is needed to ousts ministers from office, while for a declaration of war 51% of the votes are enough. Hmmm.

	06-01-2003 05:40									#44
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well I dont think we will be using declaration of war much, only in cases i would think when it requires it. But I am fine with 51% of the vote for a declaration of war.

	14-01-2003 12:02									#45
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Now that the voting procedure has more or less ended (even though we accept new votes), let's see what do we have.

Some results are final, may I say, and there are some clear winners:

1. The President is elected every [TBA] by the Senate
2 month - 2 votes
one month – 7 votes
3 weeks – 1 vote

2. The ministers are elected by the Senate every [TBA].
one month – 9 votes
3 weeks – 1 vote

3. Only the Senate can declare war to another country, with a majority of [TBA] of the votes.
66% - 3 votes
51% - 7 votes

4. The Senate can remove any minister, the President, Vice President or Justices of Court. This removal requires [TBA] of the votes to pass.
51% - 2 votes
66% - 7 votes
60% - 1 vote

5. A poll is declared valid if opened for at least [TBA] period or if at least [TBA] percent of the Senate voted in it.
3 days or 50% - 6 votes
4 days or 50% - 2 votes
3 days or 66% – 1 vote
3 days or 75% - 1 vote

6. As soon as any option in a given poll is voted for by at least [TBA] percent of the Senate, the poll may immediately be declared valid and closed
51% - 8 votes
75% - 2 vote

7. Exceptions: Polls that decide Constitutional Ammendments, Declarations of War, Elections and Removal from Office are declared valid if opened for at least [TBA] period or if at least [TBA] percent of the Senate voted in it.
7 days or 66% - 1 vote
5 days or 66% - 8 votes
5 days or 75% - 1 vote

To my surprise, Nr. 8 is the only one where an absolute stalemate was reached:

8. The ammendment will be considered adopted if it receives [TBA] of the votes.
51% - 5 votes
66% - 5 votes

How about a 60% compromise? Is this acceptable for everybody? If yes, in a few days we can proceed to vote the Constitution. Luckily, we proved that we can work/play well even without one, but since we are so close to finalize it, let's proceed. It doesn't hurt, IMHO.

	14-01-2003 12:18									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Tiberius How about a 60% compromise? Is this acceptable for everybody? If yes, in a few days we can proceed to vote the Constitution. Luckily, we proved that we can work/play well even without one, but since we are so close to finalize it, let's proceed. It doesn't hurt, IMHO.

Tibi, make a three-day poll about this, please. Put 51, 60, and 66, make it a multiple choice poll, and we'll see. If we leave it on "place your comments", I am afraid we will get nowhere...

And maybe even better, use Jack's vote to break the tie... after all, he is the current President and as such is supposed (by this draft) to be able to break ties like this. I do not think there will be violent demonstrations in Legoland if you do it this way...

	15-01-2003 16:53									#47
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I like the second idea more, therefor I consider nr.8 decided by a Presidential tie-break.

Consequently, the result:
8. The ammendment will be considered adopted if it receives [TBA] of the votes.
51% - 5 votes
66% - 5 votes (Presidential tie-break)

I'll update the Constitution draft soon. A few days and we can vote it.

	15-01-2003 16:54									#48
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Thread closed (I suppose).

	16-01-2003 11:00									#49
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Bugger I was going to vote on them ah well on number i will chose 66% despite the fact that it has already been chosen

	16-01-2003 11:06									#50
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You can still vote if you want to. Until I update the Constitution draft the results are not final.
At least if you vote 66% for 8), we won't need the presidential tie.