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An analysis of Gathering Storm and its members by Godking:

Organization
The team is a dictatorship. The government is run by nye, with Sir Ralph as second in command. Meshelic is their diplomat with other nations. They plan on having a General, or other supreme military commander, along with either a domestic minister or economic minister (they have not yet decided which position is more important, but have decided to only allow one additional position). Their thread is apparently (by report) rather disorganized, with people starting conversations on any topic they like, kinda like our forum. They are military minded, and plan on winning the game in a military manor. If given the option (ie, they have not yet been killed off) they will use a strategy of surprise attack using nuclear weapons.

member list and analysis

alexman - He is a regular poster on the strategy forum, and has a decent reputation. He is still learning the nuances of the game, but should be considered a difficult opponent on one-on-one. He is good towards a balance with war and peace tactics. He has had mod powers, but I don’t know from what (I know this because his join date is 1969).

alva848 - A regular on poly, he can be found wandering in and out of almost any forum. His skills in civ are unknown from how he posts, but can be assumed to be above average in most categories.

antoniomilla– an unknown to me. He has 0 posts on poly. NYE indicates he is an unknown to even his own team.

Arrian – so called master of the game, he has supposedly played on deity and is able to repeatedly win. Many of his tactics are about how to play on the weaknesses of the AI. He leans toward warrior strategies. Against humans is a new concept for him. He is a prime candidate for the chief general when they get around and appoint one.

asleepathewheel – A law student, expect him to be sneaky. Very active on the boards, he averages over 4 posts per day so far. He is by far one of their more active members. He is a generalist by what I gather from his posts, playing and winning in different methods. He often challenges himself and sets new goals. Expect him to be important for this team in the long run.

Conqueror – an unknown to me. A Finlander, as so many on poly are. He is not hear often, and is more of a lurker than anything else. He is here mostly to use the PBEM.

DeepO – another regular on the strategy boards, he is a former programmer and a PhD student. Expect him to be a strong runner up with Arrian for General. He has no set patterns for winning, although he does tend toward war strategy. Expect him to be trouble for us if he becomes heavily involved.

Dominae – A new person, I don’t know much about him. He posts mostly on the strategy forum, and is an above average player. Although I don’t think he is one to watch out for at this time, he well can develop into a very lethal player judging by who he hangs out with on the boards.

FrustratedPoet – Most often found in the off topic forum, he is well known to most people here on poly. His abilities as a civ player are unknown, but he has undoubtedly learned quite a bit by just surfing as much as he has. An unknown threat.

gooberboob – lurker. See antoniomilla above.

JTFreak– lurker. See antoniomilla above.

ManicStarSeed – A fairly recent addition to the Poly civ community, he is well spoken and known within the big C3DG. Civ playing skills are unknown, but judging from his posts he is above average. He is often found on the demo game pages or the strategy forums. As an Engineer by profession, expect him to be rather analytical and very conscious of the details.

Meldor– lurker. See antoniomilla above.

Meshelic – FAM for this team. Above average civ player. Very devious. Expect him never to say what is what, why, where, how and when without wondering what is going on. His strategies are generally familiar from the big demo game, but he is aware of the fact that we know him and will most likely change or do some unexpected items because of this.

nbarclay – an unknown to myself, Nathan Barclay is a Program Analysis by profession. This means that he is very nitpicky and prone to notice details. By far the majority of his posts are on the strategy forums, where he is often seen in those threads that are not regularly visited but do have a small, regular, vocal group discussing the topic. Watch out for him.

notyoueither – Leader. He originally started this team to “kick trip’s ass” as a kind of joke and it spiraled out of control from there. I suspect the popularity he has gained caught him by surprise. He is well known for having a level head and analyizing things quickly and accurately. He is one of two players on this team who actually plays the game (the other being Sir Ralph).

OPD – A true war monger. He is well known from the big demo game. Expect him to promote battle solutions rather than peaceful solutions to problems his team may encounter. His strategies by himself are often not perfect in details, but with the other talent on this team, that will not be an issue. He is excellent with his long term planning and looking at “the big picture”.

Randolph – A new comer to Poly, he is usually browsing the MOO3 pages or the PTW demo game. An unknown threat.

Shiber – A long time regular on the big demo game. He is often critical of others. Expect him to notice errors and omissions within plans made by members of his team. He leans toward a battle minded attitude rather than peaceful.

Sir Ralph – Second in command. He is the other person who plays the game for this team. He is a leader in martial strategy, coming up with such concepts as the Archer Assault. Expect him to promote war, but war on his terms. He is well known for his use of sneak attacks, pillaging of improvements, and masterful planning of assaults.

Soren Johnson Firaxis – The programmer of the AI. He is acting as a lurker here. He often is trying to improve the AI and ways it handles threats on the strategy boards and is looking in on this team due to the high proportion of persons who are regulars on the strategy boards. He is not actually helping this team directly, but may inadvertently do so if he posts by the types of questions he asks. I would suggest that we offer him the opportunity to view our team as well, and offer him a membership.

Theseus – Another regular on the Strategy boards. He loves civ style war just for the sake of making war. Excellent in details and in strategies vs. the AI, he is probably one of the most versatile of the players this team has recruited in various battle strategies. Watch out for this one.

tjordan– lurker. See antoniomilla above.

Velociryx - The last of the regulars from the strategy forums that was recruited by Sir Ralph. He is probably the most willing of the ringers to listen to other people before stating his opinion. Highly skilled, he is the one to watch out most from in regards to the military strategies from this team in my opinion.

Zeit – a regular from the big game. An average player, who will stay involved. Good with domestic issues, particularly in regards to economics. Expect him to be named the equivalent of a domestic minister or economic minister from this team.

Conclusions:


    They are highly prone to violent action.
    They are detail oriented.
    They are here to win, and do so as quickly as possible.
    They will make war with all of their neighbors.
    They are probably going for a domination victory.

How to take advantage of them:

    They will probably over-analyze things.
    They will come up with intricate plans, which we just have to toss a couple of monkey wrenches into.
    They will delay their attacks until they have built up massive amounts of resources. Hit them first before they have the opportunity to complete their preparations.
    Pure defensive tactics will not work well. A higher level of offence will be needed if we are on the same land mass, striking them from unexpected places.
    They have many prominent people from the strategy threads, who are used to a fast paced situation. Slow them down and perhaps many of their strategists will become bored and drift away to other pursuits.

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very good

can we expect this for every team?

perhaps even our own, to see how we might be vulnerable?

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I did it because i am the diplomat to this team. I would advise other diplomats to do the same. Took me about 2 hours to compile (but I know to some extent all of the other players).

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I will try to see what I can do where Neu Demogyptia is concerned, but I see several problems.

Firstly, they rely on Private Messages, and nothing else. They speak mostly in Arabian [German] to each other.

Secondly, they are ultra-isolationists. They refuse to accept ambassadors, or send them out. All attempts to engage in conversation with their Caliph, Borc, is fruitless. They keep him deep in their palace, and rarely let him out.

There seems to be no way to gain any information under such circumstances, but as always I'll try my best.

I don't trust them at all, but I don't see them as having as much chance of victory as ourselves. Their strategy is unknown. I simply cannot get to talk to them, they never respond to me. I find it distressing.

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Offer the Caliph some yummy squid, and then maybe he’ll come out

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I did. He loved it. He asked for more. I only had a sample from Senor Mitchell's which the businessman had stuffed into my pocket in a vain attempt to get me to buy it (obviously didn't know who it was). The Caliph has been in a coma ever since. I've arranged it to look like an accident involving the palace juggler. I am sure that this will have no lasting effects on our relationship, as all the evidence has been destroyed (as has that juggler).

Any suggestions on how to win over these Arabs?

Hernan de History Guy Calamari II

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The Arabs will be the most difficult diplomatic challange. We may have to wait until an opportunity to help them.

Their isolationist policies will not help them make friends with anyone. I doubt they have much of a chance of winning this game as victory in this game will be mostly based on good diplomacy, in my opinion.

We need to remain friendly, do not give up on them, but do not seem desperate either. When we make offers to other teams, be sure to make offers to them. Try to small talk a bit whenever possible about affairs in our own nation. Eventually, we may be able to get them to talk.

Not all of them speak Spanish, and they are not as chatty as other teams, so don't feel ignored if they don't chat very much with us.

Keep the faith.

--Togas

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Wow GodKing, that was great! I wonder what someone would write about me in summary of our team.

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O Lord Togas,

This is what I have been doing. However, I cannot be chatty at all, as they have not responded to a single one of my Private Messengers, and I have sent three messages out. I know none of them, most of the names, indeed all, are unrecognizable [they are mostly all settlers, none are warlords]. They refuse to speak with me, or any other diplomat. They tell us that it is far too early to allow us into their lives. If such diplomatic situations continue, it can only be seen as a rebuttal, and I fear that we may see in that direction serious political situations. I do not see how they will survive with this policy of isolationism. They seem paranoid in regarding my whole diplomatic team.

I await orders.

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This is awesome, GK

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Who will write us up our own summary?

I'm rather stuck on me own summary of the Arabs. There is nothing to say other than that they are isolationist, they rarely speak to any foreigners, they will not address any diplomats personally, and that none of them are ever seen anywhere. I can't even give you descriptions of each of the members because they are so isolationist.

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Very interesting analysis, GK

I wonder if you could do the same of our team. It could help us to best to be known ourselves and to best evaluate what other teams think on us.

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I´m starting an analysys on Vox COntroli, although it will be hard (very paranoid) But I´ll do my best.

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If our lord Togas so requests, I can do a similar analysis of our team.........

However, first of all, no hard fealings must be understood from the begining. I will do it as impartially as I can, which means no punches will be pulled.

It will take a while, as this week is killer for me in RL, but starting next it should start to lighten up.

GK

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I would like to see some analysis from several people on our own team. But to be fair, they should all agree to post them at the same time.

I had figured teh GS was going to be a problem with Vel on that team. So as long as we don't act and think like the AI, we should be able to throw him off. Maybe several layers of deception to present to him & GS would be the best overall.

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GodKing,

I agree that there should be no hard feelings from it and you should not temper your statements in it due to the knowledge that we will read it. An candid self-analysis would be highly valuable, especially one which did not shy away from things.

Go for it

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Sirs, here is an early analysis of Neu Demogyptica, though I'm still learning new things.

Neu Demogyptia is the Spanish name for the people of Arabia, who come from the city of No Name, and are ruled over by a mysterious Caliph named Borc.

The Neu Demogypticans are very quiet, and keep to themselves. It will be hard to find out how they intend to overcome us, or anyone. It was only recently that they began to look for diplomats and allowed others in. They are not paranoid, but they won't be quick to give us their information either.

However, almost as a stark contrast to this, in recent days they have opened themselves up. They greeted me warmly, and stated that they looked forward to friendship between our people. Indeed, the Caliph himself said that he hoped we would encounter one another soon so that we may trade, make each other rich, and help each other out of the Dark Ages (his words).

They seem to be strangely contrasted, then. They remain closed about many things, though open to this small amount of diplomatic work. They may soon give up this and warm themselves up yet further to be true friends. This is what I hope to see, and expect to see. I really do think that they may be considered trustworthy, and valuable as possible allies. They are heathens, yes, but possible allies all the same.

They seem to be poor as well, and make claims that they are struggling through a wild desert. This may be mere propaganda, or a hint at their true location.

Borc, their Caliph, is hidden away, but when he can be approached, he is quite civil indeed, and I think he does really want to see an Arabian-Spanish Alliance. I think he can be trusted.

More is to be expected, O Wise Ruler.

Hernan de History Guy Calamari the Younger
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I wonder if you could do the same of our team. It could help us to best to be known ourselves and to best evaluate what other teams think on us.


Don’t forget the all-important statistic of how many squids it would take to subvert N.

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Squid subversion? Why...this is brilliant!

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I believe if they tell us they are in a desert they must be somewhere very fertille... no one would tell a truth in this days...

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Probably so. Except that as a falsehood it is so obviously a falsehood that it may well indeed be the truth. Could be our same tactic, but I do not know this for certain.

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