10-12-2002 22:57									#1
	SENATE BILL: War with Germany Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

Poll Options
1. "Yea"
2. "Nay"
3. "Abstain"
Poll Duration: 3 days (72 hours)

This poll will last for 72 hours. It should end at ~ 6pm GMT on Friday, December 13, 2002.

As according to the Constitution:

Quorum is 14

"To pass, the proposed law must receive more “yea” votes than “nay” votes. It must also meet the quorum."
"Any “abstain” votes are considered solely for quorum purposes. “Abstain” votes may not be considered “yea” or “nay” votes."

The bill being voted upon:
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SENATE BILL: WAR WITH GERMANY

Purpose:
To authorize the President to declare war on Germany

Be it enacted by the Senate of the Apolytonian Republic here assembled,

That the Senate hereby gives authorization to the President to declare war on Germany. Although timing is at the discretion of the Cabinet, a timing of 5 turns from the current turndate is recommended, as previously planned.

	10-12-2002 23:21									#2
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As president I heartily endorse this bill. Germany is our only major competitor sciencewise. With them reduced or eliminated we can research and quickly rush ahead of the AI. One last thing, otto shoots a kitten evrytime he wins a tech race or gets a wonder. Think of the kittens.
Aggie

	10-12-2002 23:50									#3
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Abstain

I was here.
I saw this
I don't think it matters.

	11-12-2002 00:02									#4
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I also approve of this bill. We're ready for a war, and we need this war.

	11-12-2002 00:54									#5
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Howdy all!

It's been a long time:

A questions:
1)have the rules for voting changed since the new constituion? (ie, as a citizen who has not posted in about a month, can I vote?)

also: any good annalysis threads on the issue somewhere?

	11-12-2002 01:37									#6
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GePap,

You can vote. No-one is able to take that away from you unless you get banned from 'poly by Ming or something.

	11-12-2002 01:54									#7
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I voted 'yea".
Hi, GePap! Glad to see you!

	11-12-2002 02:46									#8
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Yes..we need this war to secure the lead and prevent a future panzer blitz against us.

	11-12-2002 06:54									#9
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War is always a good thing.

	11-12-2002 09:34									#10
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I said no.

We do not need this war. A war against Germany will not benefit us in the least. We are wasting resources on an unneeded war. Those shields and gold we are speding could be used better in other places, such as infrastructure improvement, giving our cities some defensive units, or securing the industrial era wonders.

Besides, Germany is no longer a major threat. They are rather small and surrounded on all sides by enemies. According to the histograph, they are currently ranked 8th in score. England is now more powerful than them. We needn't waste our time and resources on such small threats.

Vote NO to this war!

	11-12-2002 10:35									#11
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Well, when the Panzers come out...

	11-12-2002 11:37									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Jonny I said no. We do not need this war. A war against Germany will not benefit us in the least. .... Besides, Germany is no longer a major threat. .... Vote NO to this war!

Ahhh I hear the chirping of DIA songbirds sining the songs of peace....


Actually we will benifit greatly. Once we rid ouselves of Germany, we will be the undisputed tech leader of the world. We will rake in thousands of gold...err lytons in tech deals. We will be able to monopolize the wonder scene. This war will only strengthen us

Also we do not want a neighbor with panzers. Germany must be crushed before they aquire mobilized transport.

Think of this possibility,
There will be diplomatic benifits as well. The alliances we forge now will benifit us later when our allies declare us the diplomatic victors when we build the UN and call the vote. Wont that be a kick...

Mss

	12-12-2002 04:01									#13
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The panzers wouldn't be so much of a threat if we improved our cities' defenses. They wouldn't be able to march through our empty cities if we put military forces in them.

Currently, we have 20 cities that have riflemen as their best defensive unit. We have 4 cities that have musketmen as their best defensive unit. We have 5 cities that have pre-gunpowder units as their best defensive units. And, we have 18 cities totally undefended. Three of those undefended cities are border cities.

We can improve these numbers, and I think that would be a much better use for our resources.


I also believe that a declaration of war on Germany will turn many civilizations against us. I believe that it will be hard to form an alliance against Germany, as pretty much every civilization is annoyed or furious at us, and every civilization but us has a right of passage agreement with Germany.

	12-12-2002 08:08									#14
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quote: I also believe that a declaration of war on Germany will turn many civilizations against us. I believe that it will be hard to form an alliance against Germany, as pretty much every civilization is annoyed or furious at us, and every civilization but us has a right of passage agreement with Germany.

Germany has been bleeding every civ at the tech window for thousands of years. I expect most would rejoice an excuse to break their lpt deals with Otto.

Ssgt roadcage (retired)

	12-12-2002 09:23									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Jonny T I also believe that a declaration of war on Germany will turn many civilizations against us. I believe that it will be hard to form an alliance against Germany, as pretty much every civilization is annoyed or furious at us, and every civilization but us has a right of passage agreement with Germany.

Not once we cajole them into allying with us...

Mss

	12-12-2002 10:09									#16
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* Apocalypse remembers back to the day when we did fairly well against Germany in our first war with them

	12-12-2002 16:06									#17
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hi ,

only if the senate agrees , ...

have a nice day

	12-12-2002 20:56									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Apocalypse * Apocalypse remembers back to the day when we did fairly well against Germany in our first war with them

War, we puffed ourselves up and they ran for the hills. I wouldn't call that much of a battle.

It took a while but maybe we will finally take Hamburg.........

	13-12-2002 09:36									#19
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Maybe we don't need Germany, maybe we would be better off with peace, maybe improving our defenses is smarter.......

BUT I don't care...I want war!!!!

It much more fun!

	13-12-2002 11:25									#20
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hi ,

we need an army before we go to war , ........

the defense industry went out of buzzinezz a long time ago , because of a lack of orders , ........

and what about the navy , .......



have a nice day

	13-12-2002 23:59									#21
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*bump*

This bill has PASSED