11-12-2002 20:40									#1
	any ideas how to make this game more popular? Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

I bought this game back in 1999 and basically was introduced again to the joys of civ2. I wonder if theres a way to bring more attention to this gem. Theres more capabilities with this game but lack of interest for people to play I assume has killed it.

Maybe a letter to infogames to make it freeware or something as i'm sure there not making any cash off this game now or include it with Civ3 would of been great.

How about the community here. Any ideas how to increase the popularity with this system?

	12-12-2002 00:35									#2
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What's the difference between TOT and Civ2? I have Civ2 and the fantastic worlds expansion (which I never used).

	12-12-2002 02:20									#3
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many people found the graphics a little dodgy

Yet another game that Hydey paid full price for but does not play anymore.

	12-12-2002 02:23									#4
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its a graphics update, 4 side by side maps, improved scripting language (actually they made really good improvements to the language), animated units, new scenarios (actually 1 big 50 mb scenario if its still available somewhere on the internet) and i think thats it. Theres small improvements but its still civ2 with little improvements.

Thats why they should make it FREEWARE.

	12-12-2002 05:54									#5
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Does it include multiplayer?

I have Civ2... but I thought you had to get Civ2 Gold for MP...

	12-12-2002 06:03									#6
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quote: Originally posted by FNBrown Does it include multiplayer? I have Civ2... but I thought you had to get Civ2 Gold for MP...

ToT can be played multiplayer, BUT... only with other ToT players. You can't play ToT MP with someone who has MGE. And the MGE players seem to greatly outnumber the ToT ones.

	12-12-2002 07:29									#7
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We could always start a ToT PBEM?

	12-12-2002 09:44									#8
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Try scenarios. ToT was made for the scenario maker. Try my Russian Civil War scenario "Red October", here: http://www.tecumseh.150m.com/ I'm also just about ready to release a made for multiplayer ToT scenario called "Roman Civil War". Keep an eye on my site for it. I'll be running a 7 player playtest pretty soon, so check the PBEM forum for that.

The best ToT site with a number of scenarios is the Cradle of Civilziation, here: http://coc.apolyton.net/ It has replacement graphics and a great tips section. Also, Mercator is almost done a sprite editor for ToT, which will allow the creation of new animated units for the first time. (The lack of such a tool was, IMHO, one of the main reasons ToT failed to become as popular as it's predecessors)

One way to increase ToT popularity might be to organize some PBEM games. If people made some very simple scenarios using the Fantasy or Sci-fi games and used them to set up some PBEMs, I think you might find a few people dusting off their old CD's and reinstalling ToT.

	13-12-2002 04:27									#9
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I'd be willing to join a ToT scenario PBEM

	13-12-2002 08:27									#10
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You got it! I'll be in touch.

	13-12-2002 20:04									#11
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Techumseh, I've just reinstalled my old and dusty copy of ToT in anticipation of the Roman Civil Wars PBEM. Do I need to patch it for multipayer?

EDIT: oops - I just noticed the multiplayer button on the main screen

I've patched to v1.1 as well

Last edited by fairline on 14-12-2002 at 14:25

	13-12-2002 20:10									#12
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Blimey, there's 18 extra unit slots! I wish I'd known that before I started my FW scenario...

	14-12-2002 22:51									#13
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i wouldnt mind it being free. i will tell you that...

	17-12-2002 07:10									#14
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Id be in the pbem game to pluse it might help to improve the games imige if there was a civ group for tot

	17-12-2002 18:10									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Civfan its a graphics update, ....Theres small improvements but its still civ2 with little improvements.

Hi, just wandering around from other forums of this site...

Buying CivToT was the biggest mistake in my gaming life.
I found myself to have actually bought 3 replicas of a game identical to the one I already had (CivII), except for the edited graphics and items names...
I installed it, made a 30' tour thru it, uninstalled it and shelved it.
I should have seriously considered to resell it, but I'm too lazy.

	21-12-2002 12:00									#16
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quote: Originally posted by MariOne Hi, just wandering around from other forums of this site... Buying CivToT was the biggest mistake in my gaming life. I found myself to have actually bought 3 replicas of a game identical to the one I already had (CivII), except for the edited graphics and items names... I installed it, made a 30' tour thru it, uninstalled it and shelved it. I should have seriously considered to resell it, but I'm too lazy.

You know something MariOne. I shelved this game after 6 months of playing it. I finally gave in to CIV2MPG and continued playing multiplayer with people because noone seemed to play TOT. But I still played for 6 months.

Take CIV3 into the formula. I bought it, installed it and enjoyed it for 2 weeks. Then things went haywire and bugs, shutdowns, and well everything else went wrong. And patches after made it worse.

Even though I bought three versions of the game, I'm still happy and got my moneys worth. If they added much more features and combine whats great from CIV3 into CIV2 TOT2 I would purchase it.
Yes thats right, I would purchase it. SEE THAT INFOGAMES.

Anyways thats my 2 cents

	22-12-2002 01:02									#17
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Just for the record...if it wasn't for this site I wouldn't have spent $15 getting a copy of ToT, so I'll play around with it and see how I do.

	30-12-2002 02:30									#18
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I don't see how anyone can say that TOT is "just Civ2 with edited graphics". The multiple-worlds feature in the SF and Fantasy versions is a significant gameplay extra. It's been available at $10 for a long time now--a year or two, I think--and well worth it.

I'd like to see the TOT concept applied to Civ3.

	13-01-2003 16:25									#19
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I found ToT as if it where made by a bunch of 16 years doing a school project

The graphics where REALLY bad and the units where just damn stupid oh and the fact they reused units from midgard to extended version to that future one

lol BOMBUS springs to mind

oh and the sounds where really horrible and the music lol

I would probably play it over Civ3 though lol

	23-01-2003 23:40									#20
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i bought TOT only, never had bought a civ game before, so for me it was basically buying the original game (and i like the graphics) with the other stuff as a bonus. I agree the extended game was pretty bad, the sci-fi game was better, i spent several hours on it, but never did finish.

Ive taken a look again at the fantasy game, and am enjoying it.

I agree the strongest feature should have been the scen. potential, but not that many scens have been made for it. Most of the scens ive played have been FW or MGE ones Ive converted. Not how few updates recently to cradle of civ. I may go take a look again, based on tecumseh's comment.

	24-01-2003 01:06									#21
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I would like to see ToT scenarios adapted for Civ3. My favorite is the Science Fiction one. It is really cool to be able to switch to different worlds within the same game. The AI, though, never seems to colonize on the parallel worlds. That's the problem with Civ2 & ToT -- the AI was reallly lame. It wasn't long after I bought these games that I was routinely kicking the computer's butt on Diety level.

	24-01-2003 02:55									#22
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That's one of a few reasons why scenarios are so popular. Some of the designer's make a tough AI.

If even there you find the AI is too lame, try MP.

Sigh! We'd all like to see some decent scenario tools in Civ3.

	24-01-2003 07:30									#23
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I have a unit ripper for ToT and I bought ToT for its costomability, but never even tried since I fifgured there was no way to edit the way the units looked.

I am going to attmept to rip all the fantasy and sci-fi units

	24-01-2003 09:03									#24
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do you mean change the units in TOT. It can be done. Theres a spirit editor in the making or finished which can be used to edit the animations. I think.
You can use the old civ2 like unit graphics for the units without animation.

	24-01-2003 11:48									#25
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http://www.civgaming.net/mercator

A sprite converter so I can use the animated units from ToT and use them for Civ III